Do we know anymore at 60 years?

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Offline Paul May

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Re: Do we know anymore at 60 years?
« Reply #70 on: December 08, 2023, 02:03:06 AM »
  Even Sitzman mentioned the possibility of a silencer being used.  I believe this was the case with the rifle that Gordon Arnold had shoved in his face. A silencer on the end of the rifle made the barrel appear huge with respect to circumference.

A silencer is the invention of Hollywood. Suppressor is correct.

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Do we know anymore at 60 years?
« Reply #71 on: December 08, 2023, 11:36:29 PM »
If there’s a 2nd shooter that is responsible for JC getting hit just almost 0.5 sec after JFK , then the angle required to get past the right shoulder or over right shoulder of JFK kind of suggests the SW 6th floor window of TSBD, coincidentally where Arnold Rowland saw a gunman with rifle with large scope standing for a few seconds at 12:15 pm.

The fact that Rowland could see the scope at the distance of something like 240 ft away suggest the rifle he saw  was NOT an MC rifle with a side mounted scope, but was quite possibly a rifle like a hunting rifle with a center mounted scope just like Rowland himself thought it looked like to him.

This would be 2 shooters on the 6th floor which is more complicated scenario than just 1 shooter with semi auto rifle.

But it could be the plan, considering that John
Martino supposedly confessed to wife about being tasked with paying TWO assassins.

It’s seems doubtful though that Harold Norman would have heard the loudness of all 3 shots  equally , if one of the shooters was  at the SW window.

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Re: Do we know anymore at 60 years?
« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2023, 02:45:38 PM »
In retrospect, it is amazing how much of this case was resolved within the first few hours.  The basic evidence and circumstances that linked Oswald to these crimes beyond all doubt were discovered by the DPD within a few hours.  There is no credible evidence of the involvement of any person other than Oswald.  There is no credible evidence that Oswald was involved in any conspiracy.  The DPD and FBI did excellent work in that context.   They made some misstatements early on in an effort to be transparent and bungled the security for Oswald (which was a huge mistake) that provided some fodder for the CTers over the years but in terms of solving the crime, they did an outstanding job.

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Re: Do we know anymore at 60 years?
« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2023, 03:26:09 PM »
In retrospect, it is amazing how much of this case was resolved within the first few hours.  The basic evidence and circumstances that linked Oswald to these crimes beyond all doubt were discovered by the DPD within a few hours.  There is no credible evidence of the involvement of any person other than Oswald.  There is no credible evidence that Oswald was involved in any conspiracy.  The DPD and FBI did excellent work in that context.   They made some misstatements early on in an effort to be transparent and bungled the security for Oswald (which was a huge mistake) that provided some fodder for the CTers over the years but in terms of solving the crime, they did an outstanding job.

  "There is no credible evidence of the involvement of any person other than Oswald"? You must Not be aware of the Knott Labs 360 Laser SCIENCE which determined the, "SBT IS IMPOSSIBLE". This is the same SCIENCE used in Courts around this country onna daily basis to determine Bullet Trajectorie(s) resulting in ensuing Guilty or Innocent verdicts. Or, have you joined the ranks of the SCIENCE DENIERS?

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Re: Do we know anymore at 60 years?
« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2023, 05:19:15 PM »
Since the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992, the government has been declassifying documents related to JFK’s assassination. But according to experts on the JFK assassination that TIME talked to, no major revelations have been found in these document dumps in the 60 years since the President was killed.

“No new information has been revealed or exposed that really alter the course of our understanding of what happened,” says Nicola Longford, CEO of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, a museum all about the JFK assassination located in the building where Oswald shot JFK.

Whatcha think?

We know now that the driver of the "get away taxi," William Whaley, likely lied about being awarded the Navy Cross for "action over Iwo Jima," that after his first wife, Sylvia Patterson died of TB in 1935, her sister "kidnapped" Whaley's son and namesake, William Jr., raised him as her own son, and that the son's obit does not mention Whaley and that the son considered his aunt's husband as his father.

We know that after Whaley filled out his military draft record in 1942, he changed his birth year from 1908 to 1905.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,180.msg31732.html#msg31732

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/13730776/william-wayne-whaley

I located Whaley's 1908 birth announcement... (Alexa, what day of the week was June 19, 1908? Alexa: "June 19, 1908, was on a Friday..")

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Re: Do we know anymore at 60 years?
« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2023, 07:34:55 PM »
In retrospect, it is amazing how much of this case was resolved within the first few hours.  The basic evidence and circumstances that linked Oswald to these crimes beyond all doubt were discovered by the DPD within a few hours.  There is no credible evidence of the involvement of any person other than Oswald.  There is no credible evidence that Oswald was involved in any conspiracy.  The DPD and FBI did excellent work in that context.   They made some misstatements early on in an effort to be transparent and bungled the security for Oswald (which was a huge mistake) that provided some fodder for the CTers over the years but in terms of solving the crime, they did an outstanding job.

"There is no credible evidence of the involvement of any person other than Oswald.  There is no credible evidence that Oswald was involved in any conspiracy"

you say no "credible " evidence , you dont say there was NO EVIDENCE . because the two are not the same are they ? .so who decides what constitutes "CREDIBLE " evidence ?.  in my experience lone nut advocates usually feel they are the only ones entitled to decided what is "credible " evidence or not , who is a reliable witness or not . in fact some LN that i have known in my time will at one time cite a witness to prove some thing and help them win an argument , while in another instance question the reliability , honesty or even sanity of the same witness . really so far as i have seen they apply much the same logic to evidence .


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Re: Do we know anymore at 60 years?
« Reply #76 on: December 13, 2023, 09:41:23 PM »
"There is no credible evidence of the involvement of any person other than Oswald.  There is no credible evidence that Oswald was involved in any conspiracy"

you say no "credible " evidence , you dont say there was NO EVIDENCE . because the two are not the same are they ? .so who decides what constitutes "CREDIBLE " evidence ?.  in my experience lone nut advocates usually feel they are the only ones entitled to decided what is "credible " evidence or not , who is a reliable witness or not . in fact some LN that i have known in my time will at one time cite a witness to prove some thing and help them win an argument , while in another instance question the reliability , honesty or even sanity of the same witness . really so far as i have seen they apply much the same logic to evidence .

    Yeah, these guys are great at "Cherry Picking" through what a witness says. Some of them have No Business EVER being seated on a jury of any kind. Litter bugging, disturbing the peace, whatever the offense might be, these poor souls simply do Not understand what "credible" entails. "Credible to them is whatever suits their fancy at that point in time. Their Moral Compass spins like a Top.