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When Was JBC Hit?
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on July 06, 2024, 02:42:31 PM ---Now he's trolling "blockbuster" discoveries the "Old Guard" have known and presented for years. Canning had JFK over to his right as far as possible. Connally ended up off his seat only because the limousine drawing Canning used was, unbeknownst to him, highly-flawed.
During their May 1964 reenactment, the FBI had their Kennedy surrogate over to the right as far as possible in the Queen Mary limousine. But the lay-out of the Queen Mary didn't allow for the extra amount of space toward the right that Kennedy had in the SS-100-X. Nonetheless, the FBI and Warren Commission allowed for the variations between the two limousines in their conclusions; some researchers are too stupid or lazy to do that.
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Canning’s drawing had nothing to do with the May 1964 re-enactment using the QM.
Canning’s position was based on his analysis of Betzner’s photo in which Canning concluded that the view of JBC was blocked by the man standing in front of Betzner. He concluded, incorrectly as he later admitted, that JBC’s right shoulder was left of the right side of the ‘blocking man’. He simply extended that sight line from Betzner past the right side of blocking man to the car and showed it on an overhead view of the actual presidential limo. He placed JBC’s right shoulder to the car-left of that line.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on July 06, 2024, 02:42:31 PM ---Now he's trolling "blockbuster" discoveries the "Old Guard" have known and presented for years. Canning had JFK over to his right as far as possible. Connally ended up off his seat only because the limousine drawing Canning used was, unbeknownst to him, highly-flawed.
During their May 1964 reenactment, the FBI had their Kennedy surrogate over to the right as far as possible in the Queen Mary limousine. But the lay-out of the Queen Mary didn't allow for the extra amount of space toward the right that Kennedy had in the SS-100-X. Nonetheless, the FBI and Warren Commission allowed for the variations between the two limousines in their conclusions; some researchers are too stupid or lazy to do that.
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You claim that the, "Old Guard have known and presented for years", my discovery that the TSDB being Wide Open for 2+ Hours. I have been around here a long time and Never seen/heard a peep regarding this issue. Either PROVE your claim or bow out. I'm very interested of your Proof that the TSBD was unsecure for 2+ Hours following the assassination. I got the goods. Let's see what YOU got.
Royell Storing:
In the Love Field footage of JFK and Connally getting into and then sitting down inside the Limo, you can Clearly see the position of JFK's (L) Knee relative to the Connally Jump Seat/Backrest. The routinely posted "line" stuff is cartoonish and subjective.
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on July 07, 2024, 04:17:08 PM ---Canning made reference to "a similar angle in a photograph taken by James Altgens on Houston less than a minute earlier."
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I am not sure where you are getting that from. That is not something Canning ever said. I am not sure he was aware of Altgens' #5 photo.
Here is Altgens' #5 with sightlines from Altgens to JBC and JFK.
and the projection of these lines onto an overhead of the car:
Showing JBC to be in the middle of his seat. Canning acknowledged that his placement of JBC for the HSCA was wrong, as I have shown.
--- Quote ---Thus, Connally is significantly inboard of Kennedy while on Houston. Since none of Connally's head appears in Betzner, then he must still be as inboard relative to Kennedy as he is seen to be in the Altgens Houston photo.
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The issue is not whether JBC is inboard of JFK. The question is how much was he inboard? Enough for JBC's right armpit to be on a right to left path through JFK's neck? That just doesn't work - even for a first shot SBT at z222.
Royell Storing:
Like I said, that "line" stuff is subjective. Even you guys that continue posting it can Not agree.
JFK liked tucking himself back into that corner/nook where the backseat backrest meets the passenger side of the vehicle. I believe this position was less stressful on his back. From this position he could also wave while his (R) arm/elbow was resting atop/supported by the side of the car. This made waving easier on his back. A bullet Exiting above JFK's adam's apple would have been hugging the passenger side of the car.
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