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When Was JBC Hit?
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Charles Collins on July 03, 2024, 08:09:15 PM ---
It is difficult to discern the door handles but that seems to me to be the correct spots and there seems to be something there. It is also difficult to discern the rear handholds due to the motorcycle front forks beyond the left one and the chrome trim on the front of the Queen Mary beyond the right handhold. However I think we both agree that is the way it appears in Z193. Although, as Murphy’s law would have it, the Roberdeaux map seems to indicate an angle closer to 28-degrees when the line of sight is laid out on it. The image quality of the Z193 image might be part of the issue.
Anyway, what angle do you calculate the bullet trajectory would be (at Z193) from the sniper’s nest window relative to the long axis of the JFK limo? My quick analysis indicates about 16-degrees.
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I get 18.5 degrees at z193 using the Berkley map.
I place JFK on a line from Zapruder to a point about 3 feet north of the end of the concrete retaining wall as seen in z193. Drawing a line parallel to the lane markers at that point and extending back (green) and drawing a line to the SN perpendicular (light blue), and then drawing a direct line from the SN to JFK (red), the angle between green and red is arcsin(light blue/red) which I measure to be arcsin(86/272)=18.4 degrees. When I do the same thing on Trask's map I get 17.5 degrees:
so I suspect there are differences in the maps. The Berkley map claims to have been surveyed. I don't know the source of Trask's map.
If you have another preferred map of Dealey Plaza that includes the TSBD I will work it out on that map.
Charles Collins:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on July 05, 2024, 07:34:54 PM ---I get 18.5 degrees at z193 using the Berkley map.
I place JFK on a line from Zapruder to a point about 3 feet north of the end of the concrete retaining wall as seen in z193. Drawing a line parallel to the lane markers at that point and extending back (green) and drawing a line to the SN perpendicular (light blue), and then drawing a direct line from the SN to JFK (red), the angle between green and red is arcsin(light blue/red) which I measure to be arcsin(86/272)=18.4 degrees. When I do the same thing on Trask's map I get 17.5 degrees:
so I suspect there are differences in the maps. The Berkley map claims to have been surveyed. I don't know the source of Trask's map.
If you have another preferred map of Dealey Plaza that includes the TSBD I will work it out on that map.
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Thanks Andrew, that’s reasonably close to what I came up with on my quick analysis using the Don Roberdeaux map. Don’s map lays out the various points where JFK was at some of the Z frames. And he and you appear to be very close together regarding the Z193 line of sight as it relates to the retaining wall. No need to take it any further. Thanks again.
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on July 05, 2024, 04:53:13 PM --- Jerry - The film footage I referenced shows JFK directly facing the guy outside of the Limo that is shaking his hand. The BACK of JFK's head is facing Jackie. He is NOT leaning toward her. The (L) photo you have posted is Not capturing the same moment in time as this Love Field film footage.
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Whatever you think you see in some random footage you claim to have seen is hardly proof of anything. Yawn.
Now, if everyone in the Limo were immovable statues and you could provide visual proof that your split second snapshot of time at Love Field somehow precisely equates to the exact time that both Kennedy and Connally are struck by Oswald's bullet(CE399) then in fact you may have something, but as usual, this is yet another example of you blowing hot air!
JohnM
Royell Storing:
You Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers have done this case serious damage for the last 60+ yrs. I have continuously said that Nobody knows the position of JFK and Connally when they went behind the Stemmons Sign. But, the Connally Jump seat is a Fixed Position from Love Field to Elm St along with JFK leaning back in that corner back seat position the vast majority of the time. You are unfamiliar with the Love Field film footage that my meticulous work has uncovered. What new? I have proven that Motorcycle Officer Haygood is Not the DPD Cop captured on the Darnell/Martin films. I am currently completing my work Proving that the TSBD was Totally UN-SECURE for 2+ hrs following the Kill Shot. There are those of us that are sincere in our ongoing efforts to solve this case. You've had your chance to solve this case and failed. 60+ yrs of failure is a long, long time. How about getting outta the way and permitting The Truth to step forward?
Royell Storing:
Why screw around with adjustments for the use of the Queen Mary? Why not simply Examine the Love Field film footage of JFK and Connally entering and then Sitting Down inside the JFK Limo? JFK's Adam's Apple is over the passenger side of the Limo at Love Field and it's in this same position on the Croft Photo immediately before the shots rang out. This image evidence has been around for decades. The JFK Assassination Research Community continues being more concerned with selling books vs solving this case.
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