From Behind the Fence

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Online Royell Storing

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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #147 on: December 29, 2023, 09:34:31 PM »
I find this interesting (from an October 17, 1967 interview for the JFK Library):

McHugh:  Did any of the doctors there attempt to begin postmortem procedures?

Burkley:  Of course not. First place, postmortem would have to be either authorized by a member of the family or ordered by the court.

McHugh:  This was not normally a procedure that they would automatically perform?

Burkley:  In no way.


     I do Not know specifically what "postmortem procedures" entails.

Online John Mytton

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« Reply #148 on: December 29, 2023, 10:52:53 PM »
     I do Not know specifically what "postmortem procedures" entails.

Post-mortem
A post-mortem examination, also known as an autopsy, is the examination of a body after death. The aim of a post-mortem is to determine the cause of death.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/post-mortem/

A post mortem is a detailed examination of the body by a doctor who has special training and experience in this field, called a forensic pathologist. During the post-mortem examination, a specialist forensic pathologist examines the deceased person to determine the presence, nature and extent of any disease or damage.
https://coroners.nsw.gov.au/the-coronial-process/post-mortem.html#:~:text=A%20post%20mortem%20is%20a,of%20any%20disease%20or%20damage.

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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #149 on: December 29, 2023, 10:54:12 PM »
     I do Not know specifically what "postmortem procedures" entails.


Postmortem: 5. Medicine/Medical. a postmortem examination; autopsy



My initial response regarding the encounter was to your question as to why no one was prosecuted. Here’s another excerpt from Manchester’s book regarding some of the aftermath:


Ward himself departed to complete a batch of official forms with his registrar. In his precinct log he docketed the inquest he had never held as No. 210; “Burial-Transit No. 7992,” authorizing “the removal of John F. Kennedy, male, white,” was belatedly drawn up and sent, for some reason, to Oneal’s, Inc.; Kemp Clark’s death certificate turned out to be inadequate under state statutes, so Ward signed another. Accuracy was not a forte of official Dallas that afternoon. On the new document—the deceased’s “usual occupation” was given as “President of the U.S.”—Kennedy’s Washington address was erroneously recorded as 600, not 1600, Pennsylvania Avenue. The transit permit incorrectly listed his age as forty-four. The Dallas Police Department completed a homicide report later in the day and it, too, was imprecise, stating that headquarters had received word of the shooting at 5:10 P.M. With that the local rites were over. Ceremonial homage had been paid to the letter of the law.



And, according to Manchester, the departure of the vehicle carrying JFK’s body away from Parkland Hospital was 2:08 pm local time.

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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #150 on: January 03, 2024, 11:51:18 PM »
Do you believe Sitzman's story about a young black couple sitting to her right, behind a wall, near a bench?
The nearest witnesses to the picket fence, according to her, ran back there after the shooting, immeadiatly.  Fleeing to safety into the carpark. And Bowers missed it or at least could not explain it properly.
I believe her. The couple, the smash of the coke bottle that distracted her from the horror she just witnessed in the limo and where she saw them run to.  They dissapeared and Sitzman wanted to see where they went.  Bowers could not explain it because a parade on Elm Street that he just could not see did not justify his full attention.

Also.
"I could see the back of the fence" and "One man dissapeared behind the fence".
Your back, my behind.

Online Zeon Mason

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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #151 on: January 04, 2024, 06:51:41 AM »
A man was seen by Bowers standing on the west  side of the fence, “in line” with the Triple U bridge , for some minutes? Preceding the JFK limo entering Dealey plaza?

Then this man disappeared from Bowers LOS just moments before JFK limo comes down Elm st ?

Except for a gap at corner of the fence by the steps, the  GK fence is continuous and connects to the bridge abutment. So if the man was in line” with Bowers view from tower to the Triple U, would require the man to JUMP OVER the fence (or the abutment )  to get to opposite side ( east side) of the fence to then be out of LOS of Bowers.

Seems improbable the man could jump over the fence and Bowers would not see that.

The other options for the mystery man:

1. Got into a car parked by the fence
2. Sat on the ground between the west side of the fence and a car that obscured Bowers LOS  from the tower.
3. Walked some 100 ft distance from the “in line” area of fence at the abutment going north along west side of the fence till he got to the gap by steps , went thru this gap and then went north or south where he would be obscured by opposite side of fence or the GK pergola structure.

4. Got into the far drain sewer where he could shoot from ground level thru the lower portion of the wood fence, at the JFK limo with a LOS to JFKs head.

If 1 or 2, why was the man not seen again by Bowers, because it’s seems odd the man would not have either stood up or gotten back out of the car to take a look over the fence at the JFK limo and probably still be looking on post shots.

If 3, how probable Bowers could miss seeing the man walking some 100 ft along West side of the fence?

If 4: he was  a shooter, and he used  the far storm drain sewer , which is at the junction of GK wood fence and Triple U abutment,, which just happens to be “in line” from Bowers perspective to the Triple U bridge, then he could have exited at the other end of the drain and be out of LOS of Bowers.

Option 4: The man for some reason was not interested in watching the JFK limo and he remained in his car , then upon hearing shots fired , started up his car which caused a plume of smoke that was seen by some witnesses who mistook the coincidental timing with shots fired as residue from a rifle just fired.

Bowers , however, did not see any smoke on the west side of the fence.

This might be possible if the car in question , was parked with the tail pipe facing the fence? Hence the smoke blew thru the lower portion of the fence before it “plumed “ on the opposite east side of fence hence Bowers view obscured by fence AND foliage of tree?


Offline Anthony Dyle

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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #152 on: January 26, 2024, 01:23:45 AM »
A man was seen by Bowers standing on the west  side of the fence, “in line” with the Triple U bridge , for some minutes? Preceding the JFK limo entering Dealey plaza?

What Bowers actually said was "in a direct line to the mouth of the underpass" not to the underpass itself and he clarified exactly where that was to Mark Lane.
The east end of the fence, west of the pergola and near two trees.
Both Gary Mack and Dale Myers were in agreement on this.  From Bowers' POV the "mouth" began somewhere near the bottom of those steps on Elm.
If you aren't referring to the unpublished Rush To Judgment transcript then you will never get this.

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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #153 on: January 26, 2024, 01:37:47 AM »
If you search "Dale Myers Badgeman" you can read part of the transcript and Myers' own analysis of it.