JFK: What the Doctors Saw

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: JFK: What the Doctors Saw
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2023, 08:38:14 PM »
  With regard to the "forward" head movement, you need to merely permit your eyes to absorb/examine the ENTIRE IMAGE. The gore is attracting/distracting your eyes. JFK's head has that "forward bob' due to Jackie Pulling DOWNWARD On His Arm/Wrist. It's easy to see if you'll get away from your macabre fixation. And don't feel bad, you're Not the only one on this Forum displaying this affliction.

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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: JFK: What the Doctors Saw
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2023, 10:47:16 PM »
Here is what Dr. McClelland wrote the day of the assassination, about three hours after JFK was pronounced dead:

From the handwritten statement of Robt McClelland written Nov 22, 1963 at 4:45pm on the cause of death of JFK:

"At approximately 12:45pm on the above date I was called from the second floor of Parkland Hospital and went immediately to the Emergency Operating Room. When I arrived President Kennedy was being attended by Drs Malcolm Perry, Charles Baxter, James Carrico and Ronald Jones. The President was at that time commatose from a massive gunshot wound of the head with afragment wound of the trachea. An endotracheal tube and assisted respiration was started immediately by Dr Carrico on duty in the EOR when the President arrived. Drs Perry, Baxter and I then performed a tacheotomy for respiratory distress and tracheal injury and Drs Jones and Paul Peters inserted bilateral anterior chest tubes for pneumothoracis secondary to the tracheomediastinal injury. In spite of this, at 12:55 he was pronounced dead by Dr Kemp Clark the neurosurgeon and professor of neurosurgery who arrived immediately after I did. The cause of death was due to massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the left (sic) temple. He was pronounced dead after external cardiac massage failed and ECG activity was gone.

Yes, the cause of death was: "[D]ue to massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the left temple." Yes, left temple(?). Not the back of the head.

Later (January '64), in the Texas State Journal of Medicine, McClelland told the publication this: "[T]he cause of death was the massive head and brain injuries from a gunshot wound of the right side of the head."

Here he says right side. Nowhere in either account did he mention the back/rear of the head.

Several of the other doctors were interviewed by the publication and gave accounts of what they saw. This was *before* they testified. To be blunt, they were very confused.

You can read them here: https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth599863/m1/102

Shorter: the accounts of the ER doctors on the location of the head wound are, for me, very questionable.

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Re: JFK: What the Doctors Saw
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2023, 11:52:42 PM »
  I prefer the Professional Observations of 7 Parkland Dr's that saw the head/body of JFK 10-15 minutes after the Kill Shot vs Layman's Opinions that are made decades after-the-fact.

Of course you do!  Meanwhile, you ignore what Mrs., Kennedy told Theodore White one week after the assassination-in gory detail-how she "Kept trying to hold the top of his head down. Maybe I could keep it ("his brains") in". By the time the doctors saw the head wound, it had been inadvertantly altered by Mrs. Kennedy who obvilously put the large skull flap hanging from the top of his head inside-out in front of her husband's ear. extending over the temple.  Once she did this, the entire head wound wasn't seen by anyone else until the body reached Washington D.C. 
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Re: JFK: What the Doctors Saw
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2023, 12:22:06 AM »


 

 Hi Jerry, 

  EXCELLENT GIF showing the forward head movement! 

   No matter what-the Orville Nix film very vividly also shows the forward head movement. 
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Re: JFK: What the Doctors Saw
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2023, 12:41:44 AM »
I see the infamous Cyril Wecht is also in this documentary, the following example which I don't think is in this doco but it is a good example of the extraordinary lengths Wecht will go to, to perpetuate his "ideas", e.g. equal height of seating, randomly sized occupants, wrong body orientation etc etc.



Anyway, in the documentary "What the doctors saw" he shows this silly little cartoon which is wrong in so many ways.



1) Kennedy's back wound is vertically inset from the right side of his neck but in the above diagram the back wound is almost in his armpit.



2) The exit wound on Connally was below his right nipple, not out of his shoulder.

3) CE399 struck Connally's wrist not half way down his forearm.

Seriously Cyril, is this what it takes??

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Re: JFK: What the Doctors Saw
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2023, 01:09:55 AM »
I was just looking through my JFKA imagery and came across this little gem.

The author of this composite image which obviously took some time to create, claimed that either 1 or both images were falsified due to the fact that the concrete wall behind the Limo was a different size as compared to the length of the Limo? And no, he/she/it wasn't joking!



Do any CT's concur with the original author's reasoning?

Btw along with the above Wecht nonsense, do these comically insane images and any others that exist deserve their own thread?

EDIT, I was just over at the Ed Forum and some guy devoted a thread about the mystery of the hidden Zapruder frame 312.5 and seems to be seriously concerned that Z312.5 which "captures a haunting, reddish mist enveloping President Kennedy and First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy" is absent from the NARA collection!? You can't make this stuff up, Brilliant!



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Online Royell Storing

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Re: JFK: What the Doctors Saw
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2023, 04:05:25 AM »
Of course you do!  Meanwhile, you ignore what Mrs., Kennedy told Theodore White one week after the assassination-in gory detail-how she "Kept trying to hold the top of his head down. Maybe I could keep it ("his brains") in". By the time the doctors saw the head wound, it had been inadvertantly altered by Mrs. Kennedy who obvilously put the large skull flap hanging from the top of his head inside-out in front of her husband's ear. extending over the temple.  Once she did this, the entire head wound wasn't seen by anyone else until the body reached Washington D.C.

    Several of you guys are confusing that Trap Door wound in the temple area with a Large Hole in the Back/Rear of JFK's skull. This HOLE in the back of his head is Now being connected to an Entry Wound in the neck/throat. This entry wound in the neck resulting in a blow-out exit wound in the back of JFK's head is rapidly gaining steam as we approach the 60 year anniversary of 11/22/63.