Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?

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Offline Della Cross

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2023, 05:23:14 PM »
The ARRB in late 1990 discovered that Knudsen's HSCA testimony had been sealed for roughly 20 years and therefore was completely unknown to the public. The ARRB got Knudsen's "probe(s)" testimony unsealed, and added it to the public record. Point is, if the powers that be can completely seal the testimony of a highly respected individual such as Knudsen, who knows what other highly credible sources have also had their JFK Assassination testimony expunged from the public record?

Thank you, I did not know about this alteration of the record. Who or what is behind such a widespread and highly organized campaign of deletion, suppression and deception in the assassination of JFK?  Let's begin with the Secret Service.  While JFK was still in Parkland, a Secret Service agent was photographed as he removed blood spatter from the presidential limo with a bucket and sponge.  In heaven's name, why would a law enforcement officer do such an illegal thing? Blood spatter is primary evidence in any homicide investigation. Removing or concealing such evidence is a criminal act. The agent would never have taken this forbidden action unless he had been ordered to do so by a superior. Which means, within minutes of the assassination, a coverup campaign was already under way, and the Secret Service was running it. But why? They certainly weren't out to protect LHO.
What could they possibly have been trying to conceal? Were they trying to protect their own reputations?
The book "Mortal Error" concludes that after LHO fired from the 6th floor, Secret Service agent George Hickey, in the backup car, picked up his AR-15 rifle and stood up on the rear seat, a brave man preparing to return fire in defense of the president. But, when the motorcade changed speeds, Hickey was thrown off balance. His finger involuntarily tightened on the trigger.  If the rifle was set to full automatic, he may have accidentally fired a burst of 4 or 5 shots.  One or more of these bullets struck JFK's head.   
 After the president's autopsy in Washington, JFK's brain -- which was a prime piece of evidence and which a surgeon was carrying in a metal container -- disappeared.  Many years later we learned that two Secret Service agents had told the surgeon that the president's brother, Robert F. Kennedy, on behalf of the Kennedy family, had asked for the brain, which the surgeon then gave to the agents.  It was never seen again.  In short, right from the beginning, the Secret Service has been running a coverup campaign in order to protect their own reputation.  The "Zapruder Film Mystery" on YouTube focuses on how the Secret Service arranged the alteration of the original 8 mm. Z film.  They are still trying to cover up a terrible, tragic accident. So are the many people who also know this secret. This coverup has had traumatic effects on a tense America that senses something about the assassination of President Kennedy doesn't make sense, but which has been prevented from learning the truth.
 And so we argue and fight among ourselves. In other words, the Secret Service engaged in a coverup that protects the agency at the expense of the nation and the people it serves. 

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2023, 06:24:09 PM »
The ARRB in late 1990 discovered that Knudsen's HSCA testimony had been sealed for roughly 20 years and therefore was completely unknown to the public. The ARRB got Knudsen's "probe(s)" testimony unsealed, and added it to the public record. Point is, if the powers that be can completely seal the testimony of a highly respected individual such as Knudsen, who knows what other highly credible sources have also had their JFK Assassination testimony expunged from the public record?

Thank you, I did not know about this alteration of the record. Who or what is behind such a widespread and highly organized campaign of deletion, suppression and deception in the assassination of JFK?  Let's begin with the Secret Service.  While JFK was still in Parkland, a Secret Service agent was photographed as he removed blood spatter from the presidential limo with a bucket and sponge.  In heaven's name, why would a law enforcement officer do such an illegal thing? Blood spatter is primary evidence in any homicide investigation. Removing or concealing such evidence is a criminal act. The agent would never have taken this forbidden action unless he had been ordered to do so by a superior. Which means, within minutes of the assassination, a coverup campaign was already under way, and the Secret Service was running it. But why? They certainly weren't out to protect LHO.
What could they possibly have been trying to conceal? Were they trying to protect their own reputations?
The book "Mortal Error" concludes that after LHO fired from the 6th floor, Secret Service agent George Hickey, in the backup car, picked up his AR-15 rifle and stood up on the rear seat, a brave man preparing to return fire in defense of the president. But, when the motorcade changed speeds, Hickey was thrown off balance. His finger involuntarily tightened on the trigger.  If the rifle was set to full automatic, he may have accidentally fired a burst of 4 or 5 shots.  One or more of these bullets struck JFK's head.   
 After the president's autopsy in Washington, JFK's brain -- which was a prime piece of evidence and which a surgeon was carrying in a metal container -- disappeared.  Many years later we learned that two Secret Service agents had told the surgeon that the president's brother, Robert F. Kennedy, on behalf of the Kennedy family, had asked for the brain, which the surgeon then gave to the agents.  It was never seen again.  In short, right from the beginning, the Secret Service has been running a coverup campaign in order to protect their own reputation.  The "Zapruder Film Mystery" on YouTube focuses on how the Secret Service arranged the alteration of the original 8 mm. Z film.  They are still trying to cover up a terrible, tragic accident. So are the many people who also know this secret. This coverup has had traumatic effects on a tense America that senses something about the assassination of President Kennedy doesn't make sense, but which has been prevented from learning the truth.
 And so we argue and fight among ourselves. In other words, the Secret Service engaged in a coverup that protects the agency at the expense of the nation and the people it serves.

     And be sure to add to your detailed list above that the SS STOLE THE BODY.

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2023, 10:52:28 PM »
                                                                        Just a couple of quick observations:

     (1) You got serious issue(s) with Horne. This makes you incapable of objectively examining ANYTHING that Horne is connected to.

Horne maybe your hero but he's certainly not mine.
Calling out  BS: on this forum is par for the course.
"The Zapruder Film Mystery" is an exercise in underhand, insidious deception, The way Dino is used by Horne is disgraceful. That you have no problem with it speaks volumes.
If I'm not looking at it objectively then point out a single aspect of the film that supports alteration of the Z-film.

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     (2) We really do Not know if Dino was examining the ORIGINAL out-of-the-camera Zapruder Film on 11/23/63.

     (3) We really do Not know if We are currently looking at the ORIGINAL out-of-the-camera Zapruder Film.

Do some work and read the Zavada Report. You'll soon put this juvenile alterationist nonsense behind you.
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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2023, 10:13:24 AM »
Is it possible to explain away the 16mm film SSA Bill Smith brought to NPIC on 11-24-63. It had been developed at Hawkeye Works in Rochester, New York. From it Homer McMann[sp?] and Ben Hunter made three boards. One of the boards says 9 missing frames, 6 missing frames, 4 missing frames. When Abraham Zapruder was asked at the Shaw trial was the film they were viewing the original Zapruder film that he shot, he said no, because he noticed missing frames. Can any of this be explained away? Sincerely yours, Michael

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2023, 11:18:34 AM »
Is it possible to explain away the 16mm film SSA Bill Smith brought to NPIC on 11-24-63. It had been developed at Hawkeye Works in Rochester, New York. From it Homer McMann[sp?] and Ben Hunter made three boards. One of the boards says 9 missing frames, 6 missing frames, 4 missing frames. When Abraham Zapruder was asked at the Shaw trial was the film they were viewing the original Zapruder film that he shot, he said no, because he noticed missing frames. Can any of this be explained away? Sincerely yours, Michael

1) 3 copies of the original were made.
2) Apparently, four frames of the original were destroyed by buffoons at Life.  Luckily copies had been made to replace these frames.

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2023, 12:42:47 PM »
1) 3 copies of the original were made.
2) Apparently, four frames of the original were destroyed by buffoons at Life.  Luckily copies had been made to replace these frames.

Hi Dan, Thank you for your input; however, SSA Smith brought a 16mm Zapruder film; the original and the three copies were all 8mm. Can you explain the difference? Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2023, 01:10:39 PM »
Hi Dan, Thank you for your input; however, SSA Smith brought a 16mm Zapruder film; the original and the three copies were all 8mm. Can you explain the difference? Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

     Michael - And as you well know, CIA Image Expert Dino Brugioni was completely cut out of the loop regarding this Sunday examination of the 16mm Zapruder Film and the Briefing Boards that were constructed from it.