Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?

[Michael Welch]

Ike Altgens' shoes are blocked by the grass turf

So are Moorman's 

I am saying the Zapruder film was altered to keep SSA William Greer out of trouble!

The Z-film shows the limo slowing down to almost walking pace just before the head shot, it's just really difficult to see.
Nix also shows the limo drastically slowing down then speeding away.
The Bronson film also shows the limo slowing down. The follow-up car almost runs into the back of it and the motorcycles end up almost alongside it.
There was no way to hide the fact the limo slowed right down before the head shot, so no need to alter anything.

It is notable that Greer lied about this in his WC testimony, insisting he kept a steady speed during the shooting.
It is also notable he "forgot" he was looking at JFK when his head exploded, as shown in the Z-film.
Greer's testimony is a joke, he can barely remember anything, answering "don't know" to almost everything. He insists he was focused on the top of the underpass as he approached it and saw no-one up there:



Hmmmm.....


Greer lied in his testimony

Hi Dan, I love watching a Mary Woodward interview! She always says SSA Greer just did not do anything to get the President out of there, and it really tears her up! In my opinion Mary Moorman in Nix is cut down by the size of the curb on South Elm Street. She is not merely standing in the grass like in Zapruder and Muchmore. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Dan O'meara]

Hi Dan, I love watching a Mary Woodward interview! She always says SSA Greer just did not do anything to get the President out of there, and it really tears her up! In my opinion Mary Moorman in Nix is cut down by the size of the curb on South Elm Street. She is not merely standing in the grass like in Zapruder and Muchmore. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

Hi Michael, I'm going to have to bail out of this conversation as I find the notion that someone removed Mary Moorman from each of the Z-frames and placed her on the grass so utterly ludicrous that I find I'm slightly embarrassed to have got caught up in a discussion about it.
To believe this could actually be done is ridiculous.
To believe it could be done and not leave any trace of alteration is truly bonkers.
To believe it was done to keep Greer out of trouble is....I honestly don't know what that is.

We are obviously interested in this case for very different reasons - reasons that do not overlap in any way.
Good luck to you.

[Michael Welch]

Hi Michael, I'm going to have to bail out of this conversation as I find the notion that someone removed Mary Moorman from each of the Z-frames and placed her on the grass so utterly ludicrous that I find I'm slightly embarrassed to have got caught up in a discussion about it.
To believe this could actually be done is ridiculous.
To believe it could be done and not leave any trace of alteration is truly bonkers.
To believe it was done to keep Greer out of trouble is....I honestly don't know what that is.

We are obviously interested in this case for very different reasons - reasons that do not overlap in any way.
Good luck to you.

Hi Dan, I stand corrected! Thank you for teaching me! I agree with you that she was on the grass. According to tests done in 2001 by Mack and Thompson she had to be about 6 inches from the edge of the curb. I think that the Zapruder film always shows her farther away? The thing that I do not like about the Zapruder film is this: I hate that the people standing on the side of the street that Jean and Mary are on starting with the Apron Man on down do not seem to be in sync with the Presidential limo. They seem to be looking to the right most of the time when the limo has already passed! Your Z-305 frame is a good example! Thanks again for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Royell Storing]

Every attempt you have made to present alterations in the film have been blown out of the water.
Just out of interest, what exactly do you believe was altered in the Z-film and why was it altered. That question goes for Royell.

   Do your research and familiarize yourself with the story of CIA Image Expert Dino Brugioni and what he believed was the difference between the Z Film he examined the weekend after the assassination vs The Current Z film. Do the work and then we can talk. You are well behind the curve here.   

[Dan O'meara]

   Do your research and familiarize yourself with the story of CIA Image Expert Dino Brugioni and what he believed was the difference between the Z Film he examined the weekend after the assassination vs The Current Z film. Do the work and then we can talk. You are well behind the curve here.

Do your homework and read the Zavada Report. You'll soon put aside this alterationist nonsense.
And this is the third time you are being asked to provide the citations for your unsubstantiated claims. If you can't substantiate your claims don't bother responding.
Also, you've been asked (three times now) to answer three simple questions:

1) Is the Presidential limo shown in Weigman before it reaches the underpass?
2) Do you agree this is less than 6 seconds after the head shot, something we know from watching the Z-film?
3) Do you agree the Bell pic shows Weigman in position, filming the Hesters?

Your constant evasion demonstrates you're not the font of wisdom you might like to think you are.
You seem insecure about putting your cards on the table.

[Royell Storing]

Do your homework and read the Zavada Report. You'll soon put aside this alterationist nonsense.
And this is the third time you are being asked to provide the citations for your unsubstantiated claims. If you can't substantiate your claims don't bother responding.
Also, you've been asked (three times now) to answer three simple questions:

1) Is the Presidential limo shown in Weigman before it reaches the underpass?
2) Do you agree this is less than 6 seconds after the head shot, something we know from watching the Z-film?
3) Do you agree the Bell pic shows Weigman in position, filming the Hesters?

Your constant evasion demonstrates you're not the font of wisdom you might like to think you are.
You seem insecure about putting your cards on the table.

  Your call

[Dan O'meara]

  Your call

So, I checked out "The Zapruder Film Mystery" and was a bit puzzled.
It starts off with Horne expressing his conviction that the Z-film was altered so I expected the interview to deal with that.
However, Horne never once asked Bruglioni about whether he thought the film had been altered. The interview is about two briefing board "events", and that's it.
Bruglioni never expresses any kind of view about whether or not the film was altered and Horne doesn't ask him a single question about it.

At around the half hour mark it suddenly cuts to a different interview between Dino and Janney.
This interview appears to be about a single z-frame, 313.
Dino is talking about the debris cloud from the head shot. Janney begins to tell Dino that frame 313 is the only frame that shows the debris cloud but Dino can't believe it - "there was more than that".
Janney asks - "How many more frames do you think there would be [showing the debris cloud]?"
Dino - "I don't know but we were shocked when we saw it."

Janney is lying.
There are more than just the single frame showing the debris cloud and Dino is perfectly correct that there are multiple frames showing it:



I also noticed that not once did Dino mention [nor was he asked] about Jackie on the trunk of the limo.
In another article Horne claims that Dino saw Hill physically strike Jackie while she was on the back of the car which, of course, is not shown in the extant Z-film.
Hill striking Jackie?
Really?
Why didn't Horne think to ask him about that in this interview? Why didn't Horne even think to mention it, as his sole purpose was expose alteration in the Z-film?

There is nothing - absolutely zero - that even hints at alteration in this interview.
What am I missing here?