RIP to the Single-bullet theory?

[Charles Collins]

Pointing out the insurmountable problems with this aspect of the case and some of the weak counter-arguments supporting these incredibly unlikely events is hardly a tirade.
I was simply reiterating the issues that have informed my emerging view regarding Day's transparent 

I am unaware of anyone trying to replicate this type of forgery but I'm hardly alone in believing it could be done:

"You could take the print off Oswald’s card and put it on the rifle. Something like that happened.” FBI agent Vincent Drain to reporter Henry Hurt, May 1984, as reported in Hurt’s book Reasonable Doubt, published 1985.

Another indication the palm print was faked can be found in this devastating article about the staggering incompetence/corruption that occurred during the investigation of the assassination.:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/12LFwzP_tXUVE5tMM-qekgfYiL1PQK4L5H-aQ2Dmk0SE/htmlpresent?pli=1

[scroll down to "And what’s with the fiber trapped under the lift?"]

Here’s a quote of Drain from “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed, pages 259-260:

Over the years allegations have been made about the way the FBI and the Dallas Police Department handled the affair. In one of the books, I was quoted in a footnote as saying that I doubted that a fingerprint had been found on the rifle as claimed by the Dallas Police Department. As I recall, I think my comment was based primarily on our experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau. That’s the real specialists in fingerprints in the FBI in Washington. From the time they turned the rifle over to me along with other things, they were placed in a box and sealed. I then took it to the laboratory where it was taken apart and examined with different processes on every inch of that gun, assembled and disassembled. They said that they didn’t find any fingerprints. Now, I wouldn’t have any way of knowing from my own personal observation. My comment would have been made on what they said. As to Lieutenant Day, I’ve known him a long time, and I think that he’s an honest individual. If he thought that there was a print there, whether there was or not, he was sincere in what he had to say. I would not want to cast any reflection on Day.


And the “devastating article” you posted the link to is just a bunch of questions. I don’t see how a hair or fiber of some sort trapped under the lift is supposed to be an indication of fakery.

[Martin Weidmann]

Here’s a quote of Drain from “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed, pages 259-260:

Over the years allegations have been made about the way the FBI and the Dallas Police Department handled the affair. In one of the books, I was quoted in a footnote as saying that I doubted that a fingerprint had been found on the rifle as claimed by the Dallas Police Department. As I recall, I think my comment was based primarily on our experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau. That’s the real specialists in fingerprints in the FBI in Washington. From the time they turned the rifle over to me along with other things, they were placed in a box and sealed. I then took it to the laboratory where it was taken apart and examined with different processes on every inch of that gun, assembled and disassembled. They said that they didn’t find any fingerprints. Now, I wouldn’t have any way of knowing from my own personal observation. My comment would have been made on what they said. As to Lieutenant Day, I’ve known him a long time, and I think that he’s an honest individual. If he thought that there was a print there, whether there was or not, he was sincere in what he had to say. I would not want to cast any reflection on Day.


And the “devastating article” you posted the link to is just a bunch of questions. I don’t see how a hair or fiber of some sort trapped under the lift is supposed to be an indication of fakery.

I then took it to the laboratory where it was taken apart and examined with different processes on every inch of that gun, assembled and disassembled. They said that they didn’t find any fingerprints. - Vincent Drain 

But Day is an honest individual....   

And the “devastating article” you posted the link to is just a bunch of questions.

Which were never answered.... Go figure!

I don’t see how a hair or fiber of some sort trapped under the lift is supposed to be an indication of fakery.

Of course you don't.... Quelle surprise

[Dan O'meara]

Here’s a quote of Drain from “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed, pages 259-260:

Over the years allegations have been made about the way the FBI and the Dallas Police Department handled the affair. In one of the books, I was quoted in a footnote as saying that I doubted that a fingerprint had been found on the rifle as claimed by the Dallas Police Department. As I recall, I think my comment was based primarily on our experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau. That’s the real specialists in fingerprints in the FBI in Washington. From the time they turned the rifle over to me along with other things, they were placed in a box and sealed. I then took it to the laboratory where it was taken apart and examined with different processes on every inch of that gun, assembled and disassembled. They said that they didn’t find any fingerprints. Now, I wouldn’t have any way of knowing from my own personal observation. My comment would have been made on what they said. As to Lieutenant Day, I’ve known him a long time, and I think that he’s an honest individual. If he thought that there was a print there, whether there was or not, he was sincere in what he had to say. I would not want to cast any reflection on Day.


And the “devastating article” you posted the link to is just a bunch of questions. I don’t see how a hair or fiber of some sort trapped under the lift is supposed to be an indication of fakery.

You should read your quotations more closely:

"Over the years allegations have been made about the way the FBI and the Dallas Police Department handled the affair. In one of the books, I was quoted in a footnote as saying that I doubted that a fingerprint had been found on the rifle as claimed by the Dallas Police Department. As I recall, I think my comment was based primarily on our experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau. That’s the real specialists in fingerprints in the FBI in Washington. From the time they turned the rifle over to me along with other things, they were placed in a box and sealed. I then took it to the laboratory where it was taken apart and examined with different processes on every inch of that gun, assembled and disassembled. They said that they didn’t find any fingerprints. Now, I wouldn’t have any way of knowing from my own personal observation. My comment would have been made on what they said. As to Lieutenant Day, I’ve known him a long time, and I think that he’s an honest individual. If he thought that there was a print there, whether there was or not, he was sincere in what he had to say. I would not want to cast any reflection on Day."

So, it wasn't actually Drain's opinion, it was the opinion of the "experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau."

And the “devastating article” you posted the link to is just a bunch of questions. I don’t see how a hair or fiber of some sort trapped under the lift is supposed to be an indication of fakery.


Your analysis of this article is as weak as some of the counter-arguments you've put forward.
I would urge any reader interested in the investigation to have a look through some of the questions that really do need answering:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/12LFwzP_tXUVE5tMM-qekgfYiL1PQK4L5H-aQ2Dmk0SE/htmlpresent?pli=1

[Charles Collins]

You should read your quotations more closely:

"Over the years allegations have been made about the way the FBI and the Dallas Police Department handled the affair. In one of the books, I was quoted in a footnote as saying that I doubted that a fingerprint had been found on the rifle as claimed by the Dallas Police Department. As I recall, I think my comment was based primarily on our experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau. That’s the real specialists in fingerprints in the FBI in Washington. From the time they turned the rifle over to me along with other things, they were placed in a box and sealed. I then took it to the laboratory where it was taken apart and examined with different processes on every inch of that gun, assembled and disassembled. They said that they didn’t find any fingerprints. Now, I wouldn’t have any way of knowing from my own personal observation. My comment would have been made on what they said. As to Lieutenant Day, I’ve known him a long time, and I think that he’s an honest individual. If he thought that there was a print there, whether there was or not, he was sincere in what he had to say. I would not want to cast any reflection on Day.

So, it wasn't actually Drain's opinion, it was the opinion of the "experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau.”

And the “devastating article” you posted the link to is just a bunch of questions. I don’t see how a hair or fiber of some sort trapped under the lift is supposed to be an indication of fakery.


Your analysis of this article is as weak as some of the counter-arguments you've put forward.
I would urge any reader interested in the investigation to have a look through some of the questions that really do need answering:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/12LFwzP_tXUVE5tMM-qekgfYiL1PQK4L5H-aQ2Dmk0SE/htmlpresent?pli=1

So, it wasn't actually Drain's opinion, it was the opinion of the "experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau.”


No, it was Drain’s comment. You are jumping to conclusions.

[Martin Weidmann]

So, it wasn't actually Drain's opinion, it was the opinion of the "experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau.”


No, it was Drain’s comment. You are jumping to conclusions.

Hilarious

They said that they didn’t find any fingerprints. Now, I wouldn’t have any way of knowing from my own personal observation. My comment would have been made on what they said.

[Dan O'meara]

So, it wasn't actually Drain's opinion, it was the opinion of the "experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau.”


No, it was Drain’s comment. You are jumping to conclusions.

Really Charles?
A comment can't be an opinion?
Drain said the following:

"You could take the print off Oswald’s card and put it on the rifle. Something like that happened."

That is an opinion.
He went on to qualify this opinion - that it wasn't based on his own personal experience, it was based on what he'd been told by the "experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau.”
Therefore, according to Drain, it was the opinion of the FBI's fingerprint specialists that the palm print was faked. That a print taken from Oswald was used to create this forgery. And Drain adopted the opinion of these experts when he made his "comment".

Let that sink in for a minute.

[Charles Collins]

Really Charles?
A comment can't be an opinion?
Drain said the following:

"You could take the print off Oswald’s card and put it on the rifle. Something like that happened."

That is an opinion.
He went on to qualify this opinion - that it wasn't based on his own personal experience, it was based on what he'd been told by the "experts in the Single Fingerprint Bureau.”
Therefore, according to Drain, it was the opinion of the FBI's fingerprint specialists that the palm print was faked. That a print taken from Oswald was used to create this forgery. And Drain adopted the opinion of these experts when he made his "comment".

Let that sink in for a minute.

You are jumping to conclusions. You do that all the time.