RIP to the Single-bullet theory?

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #308 on: September 24, 2023, 02:30:25 PM »
How did a post about Landis finding an intact bullet get highjacked and turned into a discussion about Lt. Day and a palm print? Sounds like some just have to morph any interesting topic into their pet topic, and then beat their dead horse ad nauseum. I for one am interested in new evidence or testimony. As stated earlier, this Landis scenario has NEVER even been suggested in 60 years. It’s not as crazy as “Hickey fired the fatal shot”, so what can’t it be discussed intelligently like the ID of Mumford?

A new book is coming out and an incredible 'revelation' accompanies it.
I think a lot of people have switched off due to that.

I'd like to propose something that is the only 'credible' scenario I can come up with that might explain part of Landis' claim [it will never explain his actions in terms of deliberately destroying the crime scene]

SA Johnsen notes that he receives a bullet from O P Wright minutes before JFK's body is taken out of Parkland.
Wright identifies the bullet as a "hunting slug" with a pointed tip. [this bullet magically transforms into CE399 when it reaches the FBI lab in Washington].

Connally doesn't appear to have been moved into Trauma Room #2 for quite some time.
Tomlinson is positive the bullet with the pointed tip was not on the stretcher identified as the one Connally used.
Could it be that the stretcher/gurney in the corridor outside the elevator was the one JFK was on?
Could it be that Tomlinson's discovery was slightly later than usually thought?
What happened to JFK's gurney after he was transferred to the casket?
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Online Charles Collins

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Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #309 on: September 24, 2023, 02:52:51 PM »
Not only that, this letter in no way explains the contradiction between the testimonies of Day and Latona.
It appears to be an unofficial "explanation" but it doesn't deal with the issue under question - why did the visible print Day insisted was on the rifle disappear by the time it reached Latona a few hours later?
In the debate so far no-one has even attempted to offer a credible explanation as to how this could have happened.
The suggestion that Latona just missed it is untenable.

Another point that is constantly "misunderstood" is that Day had the lift of the palm print to compare to the prints taken from Oswald earlier that day. Saying that Day had to stop processing the rifle doesn't mean anything - he had the two prints for comparison. He didn't need the rifle.

On 8/28/64 Wesley Leibeler wrote a memo to Rankin in which he reveals very serious misgivings concerning Day's testimony regarding the palm print. It may have been this that spurred Rankin on to get some answers from Hoover. However, none of the issues raised in this memo are dealt with in the Hoover letter:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wx4RencS6t5BBFjK2F3ocXEwz3IHBsMJ/view


All of the questions are answered. Hoover refers to the September 4 letter which I believe includes copies of the impressions from the rifle on palm print lift which match the impressions on their lift from the rifle in question. Between Day’s written and signed report from January 1964 and the additional questions answered in the attached report from Vincent Drain, the rest of the questions are also answered.


Online Charles Collins

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Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #310 on: September 24, 2023, 03:00:35 PM »
That Day's account of the palm print lift as viewed as 'suspect' is revealed in this memo:

"Mr Rankin advised because of the circumstances that now exist there was a serious question in the minds of the Commission as to whether or not the palm impression that had been obtained by the Dallas Police Department is a legitimate latent print..."


It is interesting that this aspect case raised a "serious question in the minds of the Commission" but seems to be a non-issue in the minds of LNers.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/N%20Disk/National%20Enquirer%20FBI%20Records%20From%201-8-78%20Releases/Item%2039.pdf

As I stated in the previous post, all of the questions were answered satisfactorily. What seems to have escaped the minds of the CT folks is that the WC was asking questions (they didn’t just accept the conclusions presented to them by the FBI, etc as the CT folks love to claim, instead they were potentially pursuing the possibility of a conspiracy, imagine that…).

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #311 on: September 24, 2023, 03:34:44 PM »
As I stated in the previous post, all of the questions were answered satisfactorily. What seems to have escaped the minds of the CT folks is that the WC was asking questions (they didn’t just accept the conclusions presented to them by the FBI, etc as the CT folks love to claim, instead they were potentially pursuing the possibility of a conspiracy, imagine that…).

all of the questions were answered satisfactorily.

Where was it answered how the print disappeared by the time it got to Latona?
Latons had the rifle dismantled and examined every part of it.
Where was it answered why Day didn't have enough time to compare the print he lifted with Oswald's print?
He had the print in his possession for days and, according to Rusty, the print was doing the rounds later that day.
Where was it answered why Day didn't protect the print with cellophane like he did with the trigger housing prints?



Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #312 on: September 24, 2023, 03:59:04 PM »
all of the questions were answered satisfactorily.

Where was it answered how the print disappeared by the time it got to Latona?
Latons had the rifle dismantled and examined every part of it.
Where was it answered why Day didn't have enough time to compare the print he lifted with Oswald's print?
He had the print in his possession for days and, according to Rusty, the print was doing the rounds later that day.
Where was it answered why Day didn't protect the print with cellophane like he did with the trigger housing prints?

The biggest unresolved issue is the fact that Rankin's memo, posted a link to earlier, clearly shows that the WC questioned the authenticity of the palm print and the credibility of Day's story. The investigation the WC asked for was to determine if the palm print was legitimate or came from another source.

That question was never answered, regardless of what Charles says.

The question, in my mind, is why Day - if the palm print was legit - would stick by his narrative in his internal DPD report and refuse to put anything in writing (and sign it) after it became obvious to him (as it must have done) that the WC wasn't convinced by his story to that date? Why did Day become so defensive if everything was on the up and up?

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Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #313 on: September 24, 2023, 04:59:59 PM »
It is interesting that this aspect case raised a "serious question in the minds of the Commission" but seems to be a non-issue in the minds of LNers.

That’s how faith-based beliefs work. The party line is treated as inerrant doctrine. It’s like trying to discuss biblical errors with an evangelist. There’s always some excuse, no matter how far-fetched.



Online Charles Collins

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Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #314 on: September 24, 2023, 05:32:33 PM »
all of the questions were answered satisfactorily.

Where was it answered how the print disappeared by the time it got to Latona?
Latons had the rifle dismantled and examined every part of it.
Where was it answered why Day didn't have enough time to compare the print he lifted with Oswald's print?
He had the print in his possession for days and, according to Rusty, the print was doing the rounds later that day.
Where was it answered why Day didn't protect the print with cellophane like he did with the trigger housing prints?


Where was it answered how the print disappeared by the time it got to Latona? Latons had the rifle dismantled and examined every part of it.

I should have said that all the questions were answered satisfactorily to the WC. People who try to make something out of nothing will never be satisfied. The answer is the irregularities on the rifle matching the marks on the palm print lift. This shows that the lift came from the rifle just as Day testified. It’s supposed “disappearance” is in your imagination. There are several possible explanations for how Latona could have missed it, but none of them will ever be able to be proven.


Where was it answered why Day didn't have enough time to compare the print he lifted with Oswald's print? He had the print in his possession for days and, according to Rusty, the print was doing the rounds later that day.

Ummm, that isn’t one of the WC’s questions.



Where was it answered why Day didn't protect the print with cellophane like he did with the trigger housing prints?

I believe Day said it was because it was protected by the wooden fore stock.