Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #140 on: September 21, 2023, 11:17:56 PM »
~Grin~

You always get cranky like this when you're losing an argument. But I'll be patient with your mood swings.

Mr. Shelley-----------with support from Mr. Lovelady-----------deletes, in his WC testimony, the encounter he had with Ms. Calvery out by "the corner of the park". Why? What possible reason could he have for doing so?

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Losing the argument!!
What argument?
I don't even know what you're talking about.
Somehow we've gone from Baker racing across to a woman for some completely unknown reason to Shelley leaving out his initial meeting with Gloria.
Are these things connected?
Why don't you spell out what you're actually saying and then, maybe, we can have an argument about it.

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #141 on: September 21, 2023, 11:28:04 PM »
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Losing the argument!!
What argument?
I don't even know what you're talking about.
Somehow we've gone from Baker racing across to a woman for some completely unknown reason to Shelley leaving out his initial meeting with Gloria.
Are these things connected?
Why don't you spell out what you're actually saying and then, maybe, we can have an argument about it.

Calm down, Mr. O'Meara. Deep breaths...........  Thumb1:

Officer Baker is NOT racing across to that woman for some completely unknown reason. There is a perfectly good reason, which I've offered. And note that Officer Baker is not the only person running towards that woman: there is another woman running towards her also. The woman by the mailboxes is drawing attention to herself. Again, I've offered the reason why.

As for Mr. Shelley. Here's what he tells the WC:

Mr. BALL - What did it sound like to you?
Mr. SHELLEY - Sounded like a miniature cannon or baby giant firecracker, wasn't real loud.
Mr. BALL - What happened; what did you do then?
Mr. SHELLEY - I didn't do anything for a minute.
Mr. BALL - What seemed to be the direction or source of the sound:?
Mr. SHELLEY - Sounded like it came from the west.
Mr. BALL - It sounded like it came from the west?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Then what happened?
Mr. SHELLEY - Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said "The President has been shot" and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute.


Upon this narrative, which is completely different to what he said in his same-day affidavit, Mr. Shelley builds the following absurd tale:

Mr. BALL - Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - It would have to be 3 or 4 minutes I would say because this girl that ran back up there was down near where the car was when the President was hit.
Mr. BALL - She ran back up to the door and you had still remained standing there?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.


So I repeat the question you evidently are struggling to answer:
Why does Mr. Shelley--------with support from Mr. Lovelady---------pretend for the benefit of the WC that he didn't run off the steps and encounter Mrs. Calvery out by "the corner of the park"?

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #142 on: September 21, 2023, 11:42:34 PM »
Calm down, Mr. O'Meara. Deep breaths...........  Thumb1:

Officer Baker is NOT racing across to that woman for some completely unknown reason. There is a perfectly good reason, which I've offered. And note that Officer Baker is not the only person running towards that woman: there is another woman running towards her also. The woman by the mailboxes is drawing attention to herself. Again, I've offered the reason why.

As for Mr. Shelley. Here's what he tells the WC:

Mr. BALL - What did it sound like to you?
Mr. SHELLEY - Sounded like a miniature cannon or baby giant firecracker, wasn't real loud.
Mr. BALL - What happened; what did you do then?
Mr. SHELLEY - I didn't do anything for a minute.
Mr. BALL - What seemed to be the direction or source of the sound:?
Mr. SHELLEY - Sounded like it came from the west.
Mr. BALL - It sounded like it came from the west?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Then what happened?
Mr. SHELLEY - Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said "The President has been shot" and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute.


Upon this narrative, which is completely different to what he said in his same-day affidavit, Mr. Shelley builds the following absurd tale:

Mr. BALL - Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - It would have to be 3 or 4 minutes I would say because this girl that ran back up there was down near where the car was when the President was hit.
Mr. BALL - She ran back up to the door and you had still remained standing there?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.


So I repeat the question you evidently are struggling to answer:
Why does Mr. Shelley--------with support from Mr. Lovelady---------pretend for the benefit of the WC that he didn't run off the steps and encounter Mrs. Calvery out by "the corner of the park"?

Officer Baker is NOT racing across to that woman for some completely unknown reason. There is a perfectly good reason, which I've offered.

What reason?
What is it about the woman that causes Baker to pull his bike up and race over to her?
What does Baker see in the mass of confusion as he approaches the TSBD that causes him to pick out this woman for special attention?
Why does he then make up some tale about thinking shots were coming from the TSBD building and that's why he pulled over?

Don't mess around.
Nothing cryptic.
Just an explanation that covers these questions.


Why does Mr. Shelley--------with support from Mr. Lovelady---------pretend for the benefit of the WC that he didn't run off the steps and encounter Mrs. Calvery out by "the corner of the park"?

I have no idea why he would try to delete this seemingly innocuous detail. Something he is already on the record as saying. Something he knows he told the Dallas Police.
Maybe he just forgot about it.
Maybe he thought it was an unimportant detail.
Maybe he had more important things to lie about during his WC testimony.

Here's the $64,000 question - why do you think he didn't mention it?



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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #143 on: September 21, 2023, 11:53:19 PM »
Officer Baker is NOT racing across to that woman for some completely unknown reason. There is a perfectly good reason, which I've offered.

What reason?
What is it about the woman that causes Baker to pull his bike up and race over to her?

No, he pulled his bike up because he thought the shots had come from the building.

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What does Baker see in the mass of confusion as he approaches the TSBD that causes him to pick out this woman for special attention?

Why, the fact that she is drawing loud and urgent attention to herself, and pointing to what's on the ground in front of her.

You don't dispute the indisputable fact that Darnell shows Officer Baker running NOT for the entrance steps but IN HER DIRECTION. And yet NONE of his statements mention this fact. No, he gives to understand that he got off his bike and ran straight for the front entrance. He didn't. And his statements are erasing this woman and his dash in her direction. Why? The obvious answer is: because something was going on here that must not, for the sake of the official story, be remembered.

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #144 on: September 22, 2023, 12:04:45 AM »
No, he pulled his bike up because he thought the shots had come from the building.

Why, the fact that she is drawing loud and urgent attention to herself, and pointing to what's on the ground in front of her.

You don't dispute the indisputable fact that Darnell shows Officer Baker running NOT for the entrance steps but IN HER DIRECTION. And yet NONE of his statements mention this fact. No, he gives to understand that he got off his bike and ran straight for the front entrance. He didn't. And his statements are erasing this woman and his dash in her direction. Why? The obvious answer is: because something was going on here that must not, for the sake of the official story, be remembered.

Look closely at the Darnell clip and you will notice something that:

a) Refutes your notion that Baker's attention is drawn to the woman in question.
b) Explains why, even though Baker is heading for the front entrance, he appears to not be heading directly towards the steps.

Focus on Baker  Thumb1:

Now, what about Shelley?
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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #145 on: September 22, 2023, 12:06:12 AM »
Why does Mr. Shelley--------with support from Mr. Lovelady---------pretend for the benefit of the WC that he didn't run off the steps and encounter Mrs. Calvery out by "the corner of the park"?

I have no idea why he would try to delete this seemingly innocuous detail.

Well, the operative word here is 'seemingly'.

There's nothing innocuous about the radical change from the story Mr. Shelley tells in his affidavit (meeting Ms. Calvery out by the corner of the park... returning inside the building) to the story he tells the WC (remaining on the steps until Ms. Calvery comes running up... only then going out with Mr. Lovelady to the 'island'... then walking west with Mr. Lovelady towards the railroad yards... and only THEN re-entering the building).

This isn't faulty memory, for pete's sake. Mr. Shelley is lying through his teeth, as is Mr. Lovelady.

Why? What are they hiding?

If it's the Adams-Styles thing, all Mr. Shelley need do is say 'I met Gloria out by the corner of the park, then went back to the front steps, then me and Billy went down to the railroad tracks for a few minutes.'

No. This is all about the front entrance. Something to do with Mr. Oswald, the man you're desperate to keep off the front steps.

Which brings us back to Officer Baker's dash to the woman holding up the paper bag.................

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #146 on: September 22, 2023, 12:08:16 AM »
Look closely at the Darnell clip and you will notice something that:

a) Refutes your notion that Baker's attention is drawn to the woman in question.
b) Explains why, even though Baker is heading for the front entrance, he appears to not be heading directly towards the steps.

Focus on Baker  Thumb1:

No, I'll focus on Mr. O'Meara, and wait patiently for his big reveal on this  Thumb1: