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Who do you believe?
Colin Crow:
--- Quote from: Wesley Johnson on March 10, 2018, 11:12:10 PM ---
Colin, what theory do you believe?
"How could Oswald pick the only 2 co-workers that just happened to pass the domino room within 5 minutes of the
shots?"
Colin, Oswald did not name Norman. He really never named Jarman, what he told Fritz was "he had lunch with some of the colored boys that worked with him. One of them was called Junior and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know." The short man was probably Charles Givens. Do you want to re-track that statement? And none of the black men that worked there said they saw Oswald during lunch.
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Do you understand what a theory is?
Do you know that Oswald knew Jarman's surname? Or Normans'? They didn?t even know Bonnie Ray Williams' surname. How tall do you believe Givens was.....and Norman? Do you think the facts require me to retract?
Bill Brown:
--- Quote from: John Iacoletti on March 07, 2018, 11:51:11 PM ---I already told you in the "Oswald probably did it" thread who the 4 people were who said they saw a gunman in a window. Hint: Worrell was not one of them. But when the topic of Mac Wallace came up, you asked what witnesses said they saw Mac Wallace. So it's fair to ask you then what witnesses said they saw Lee Oswald.
It's just Brennan then, right? And that was some time later after not identifying him in the lineup, right? Do you consider his change of heart to be reliable? I don't. Do you think that the details that Brennan described in great detail both in his testimony and in his book were things that he actually could or did see? I don't. For example, how did he see a gunman in firing position for the head shot from where he was sitting and see enough of him to estimate his height, weight, and clothing? How did he see a gunman in firing position for the head shot from the belt up? How did he see 70-85% of the gun and not see a scope (if it was C2766)?
The people who claimed to have seen two men:
- Arnold Rowland
- Carolyn Walther
- Ruby Henderson
- Norman Similas
- Johnny Powell
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--- Quote ---It's just Brennan then, right? And that was some time later after not identifying him in the lineup, right?
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For the record, at the time he attended the lineup, Brennan did pick Oswald as most resembling the man (of all the lineup "suspects") who he saw in the window.
While this may not be a proof positive identification, it is also inaccurate to state that Brennan did not identify Oswald in the lineup.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Colin Crow on March 11, 2018, 03:24:16 AM ---
Do you understand what a theory is?
Do you know that Oswald knew Jarman's surname? Or Normans'? They didn?t even know Bonnie Ray Williams' surname. How tall do you believe Givens was.....and Norman? Do you think the facts require me to retract?
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It seems he is completely clueless and beyond any sense of reality. Givens wasn't anywhere near the TSBD when Norman and Jarman made their way to the 5th floor. Wesley seems to be one of those LNs who won't let the facts get in the way of a bogus selfserving claim.
The reality is that, according to his own testimony, Givens left the building to see the motorcade with Norman and Jarman, but he left them and went first to the parking lot east of Elm and Houston and then to the corner of Main and Record, where he was when the shots were fired. There is no way the short guy was Givens.
Colin Crow:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on March 11, 2018, 12:19:30 PM ---It seems he is completely clueless and beyond any sense of reality. Givens wasn't anywhere near the TSBD when Norman and Jarman made their way to the 5th floor. Wesley seems to be one of those LNs who won't let the facts get in the way of a bogus selfserving claim.
The reality is that, according to his own testimony, Givens left the building to see the motorcade with Norman and Jarman, but he left them and went first to the parking lot east of Elm and Houston and then to the corner of Main and Record, where he was when the shots were fired. There is no way the short guy was Givens.
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Then again Givens was a short 6?2? LOL. Some people should stick to the shallow end.
Wesley Johnson:
--- Quote from: Colin Crow on March 11, 2018, 03:24:16 AM ---Do you understand what a theory is?
Do you know that Oswald knew Jarman's surname? Or Normans'? They didn?t even know Bonnie Ray Williams' surname. How tall do you believe Givens was.....and Norman? Do you think the facts require me to retract?
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Sure I know what a theory is, but you guys don't. Why don't you name the one you believe and we can continue.
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