Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?

[Richard Smith]

Why do you keep repeating this stupidity?

Maybe if the customer didn't receive it and complained, they just sorted it out.

How? They couldn't prove they sent it, so what else was there to do but to either refund the money or send the item again.

Oswald didn't complain because he got his rifle. 

And you know this, how?

You believe that there is a viable possibility that Oswald did not receive the rifle from Klein's and complained to them about it?  And Klein's simply lied to the WC for some inexplicable reason.  They were prepared to do this as early as the night of Nov. 22 when the FBI helped them search their records to confirm that they sent the rifle to him.  Wow. 

[Martin Weidmann]

You believe that there is a viable possibility that Oswald did not receive the rifle from Klein's and complained to them about it?  And Klein's simply lied to the WC for some inexplicable reason.  They were prepared to do this as early as the night of Nov. 22 when the FBI helped them search their records to confirm that they sent the rifle to him.  Wow.

You believe that there is a viable possibility that Oswald did not receive the rifle from Klein's and complained to them about it?

Apart from the fact that anything is viable in this crazy case, why would I believe that when there is no evidence that a rifle was sent in the first place?

And Klein's simply lied to the WC for some inexplicable reason.

Why would Waldman lie? He had nothing to do with the gun sales department and had no first hand knowledge of any part of the transaction.
All he could do, and did, was confirm what certain markings on Waldman 7 mean, but even Waldman wasn't able to authenticate that document.

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[Richard Smith]

You believe that there is a viable possibility that Oswald did not receive the rifle from Klein's and complained to them about it?

Apart from the fact that anything is viable in this crazy case, why would I believe that when there is no evidence that a rifle was sent in the first place?

And Klein's simply lied to the WC for some inexplicable reason.

Why would Waldman lie? He had nothing to do with the gun sales department and had no first hand knowledge of any part of the transaction.
All he could do, and did, was confirm what certain markings on Waldman 7 mean, but even Waldman wasn't able to authenticate that document.

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You questioned the conclusion that Oswald didn't complain about not receiving his rifle.  That seems to imply that you believe there is a viability possibility that he did complain about it.  Is that the case that you think there is a realistic possibility that Oswald didn't receive the rifle and then complained to Klein's or not?  I've pointed out that the FBI and Klein's searched the records on Nov. 22 to confirm that a specific rifle was sent to him.  Therefore, if Oswald did not receive the rifle and complained, Klein's would have been in on the coverup from the very beginning.  That is a necessary and direct implication of your argument that there is a possibility that he never received the rifle.  It is impossible to sort out a logical narrative in which Klein's was not involved in the conspiracy to kill JFK under the known timeline of events in your absurd fantasy that Oswald did not receive the rifle.

[Martin Weidmann]

You questioned the conclusion that Oswald didn't complain about not receiving his rifle.  That seems to imply that you believe there is a viability possibility that he did complain about it.  Is that the case that you think there is a realistic possibility that Oswald didn't receive the rifle and then complained to Klein's or not?  I've pointed out that the FBI and Klein's searched the records on Nov. 22 to confirm that a specific rifle was sent to him.  Therefore, if Oswald did not receive the rifle and complained, Klein's would have been in on the coverup from the very beginning.  That is a necessary and direct implication of your argument that there is a possibility that he never received the rifle.  It is impossible to sort out a logical narrative in which Klein's was not involved in the conspiracy to kill JFK under the known timeline of events in your absurd fantasy that Oswald did not receive the rifle.

You questioned the conclusion that Oswald didn't complain about not receiving his rifle. 

Who concluded that?

I've pointed out that the FBI and Klein's searched the records on Nov. 22 to confirm that a specific rifle was sent to him.

Yes, you pointed that out and you were wrong. On November 22 the FBI determined who ordered the rifle, not that it was sent.

your absurd fantasy that Oswald did not receive the rifle.

You are getting ahead of yourself again. I can not claim that Oswald did or didn't receive the rifle, when there is no evidence that a rifle was actually sent in the first place.

[Richard Smith]

You questioned the conclusion that Oswald didn't complain about not receiving his rifle. 

Who concluded that?

This is real simple. I said that Oswald didn't complain to Klein's about not receiving the rifle ordered.  You questioned that statement.  That implies that you believe that there is a realistic possibility that Oswald did complain to Klein's about not receiving his rifle.  Is that your position or not?  You seem to think that upon receiving an order and payment for a rifle that there is some mystery about what Klein's would do in the absence of some shipping confirmation.  They were a mail order business.  It is obvious that upon receiving an order, that they would ship the item to that person.  If for some reason that person didn't receive the rifle (as you seem to imply was possible), that person would complain to them.  There is not a scintilla of evidence that Oswald complained to anyone about not receiving a rifle. To the contrary, his wife confirms he obtained a rifle in this timeframe, there are pictures of him holding a rifle, the DPD indicates his print was on a rifle, that rifle was found at Oswald's place of employment, and that rifle had the SAME serial number as one Klein's indicates was sent to his PO Box. 

[Richard Smith]

Mr. BELIN. Is there a date of shipment which appears on this microfilm
record?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes, the date of shipment was March 20,1963.
Mr. BELIN. Does it show by what means it was shipped?
Mr. WALDMAN. It was shipped by parcel post as indicated by this circle
around the letters “PP.”

[Martin Weidmann]

This is real simple. I said that Oswald didn't complain to Klein's about not receiving the rifle ordered.  You questioned that statement.  That implies that you believe that there is a realistic possibility that Oswald did complain to Klein's about not receiving his rifle.  Is that your position or not?  You seem to think that upon receiving an order and payment for a rifle that there is some mystery about what Klein's would do in the absence of some shipping confirmation.  They were a mail order business.  It is obvious that upon receiving an order, that they would ship the item to that person.  If for some reason that person didn't receive the rifle (as you seem to imply was possible), that person would complain to them.  There is not a scintilla of evidence that Oswald complained to anyone about not receiving a rifle. To the contrary, his wife confirms he obtained a rifle in this timeframe, there are pictures of him holding a rifle, the DPD indicates his print was on a rifle, that rifle was found at Oswald's place of employment, and that rifle had the SAME serial number as one Klein's indicates was sent to his PO Box.

You questioned that statement.

I question every statement you make.

You seem to think that upon receiving an order and payment for a rifle that there is some mystery about what Klein's would do in the absence of some shipping confirmation.  They were a mail order business.  It is obvious that upon receiving an order, that they would ship the item to that person.

Except the item ordered was no longer in stock

There is not a scintilla of evidence that Oswald complained to anyone about not receiving a rifle.

There is not a scintilla of evidence that a rifle was actually sent. Waldman saying that "PP" written on a form means that it was shipped isn't evidence, and Waldman did not have first hand knowledge of the shipment and thus could only make an assumption.

his wife confirms he obtained a rifle in this timeframe

Repeating a lie doesn't somehow make it become true

that rifle had the SAME serial number as one Klein's indicates was sent to his PO Box.

Kleins' indicated no such thing. Waldman did and that was an assumption based on a handwritten number on a photocopy of an internal document.