Time for Truth

[Zeon Mason]

Yes, In the emotional moment, its easy to see how witnesses at the line up, would probably pick the guy with messed up hair , who had a cut over his eye, was in a T-shirt and was loudly complaining , rather than any of  the other men , with clean faces , hair combed , nicely dressed and remains silent.

[Dan O'meara]

"But if the actual time that LHO spent in that room was along the lines of 30 to 60 seconds (which is very likely much more accurate, especially given the "hurried" nature that Oswald was said to have exhibited during both his arrival and his departure from the roominghouse that day), then that would have provided Oswald with up to 3 additional minutes to travel the 0.85 mile from 1026 Beckley to 10th & Patton." dave von pien

we know she said she heard the news and was working on her tv , and then oswald walked in . so from that we can pretty much establish that oswald came home at 1pm or shortly there after .

her saying 3 to 4 minutes is an estimate of course , but we have to tie in what she said with what is noted in the interrogation notes . and that is that they note that oswald said he changed his short and slacks . so that would account certainly for 3 to 4 minutes .

we know she also said she was working on her tv , in addition she went to her window to see who was honking outside and said she saw a police car . she returned to her tv . oswald emerges from his room and leaves . she watches tv for a spell longer . then apparently was curious and got up and went to her window and sees oswald still outside by the bus stop . she watched him for a spell , saying he did not leave while she was watching him . then she returned to her tv .its funny you again omit to mention things which not only add time to oswalds departure but which also disputes your own timing estimate .now i understand we are posting comments here and we simply cant mention every single little detail in one comment . but in giving a time estimate about oswalds departure you should be relaying any evidence such as i have posted that dispute you .

we know she said she heard the news and was working on her tv , and then oswald walked in . so from that we can pretty much establish that oswald came home at 1pm or shortly there after .

I'm not sure about the logic you're using here.
You can tell it was after 1pm because Roberts was working on her TV?
Roberts own reasoning for placing Oswald's arrival at the rooming house after 1pm is equally ridiculous:

"Now, it must have been around 1 o'clock, or maybe a little after, because it was after President Kennedy had been shot-what time I wouldn't want to say... "

It was after 1pm because it was after JFK had been shot??
What does that mean? How does that make it after 1pm?
That Roberts is totally guessing at the time is revealed by two details in her above statement:
"...it must have been..." = guessing
"...what time I wouldn't want to say..." = doesn't really know.

oswald emerges from his room and leaves . she watches tv for a spell longer . then apparently was curious and got up and went to her window and sees oswald still outside by the bus stop

Where does it state that Roberts watched TV before looking out of her window?

[Fergus O'Brien]

Yes, In the emotional moment, its easy to see how witnesses at the line up, would probably pick the guy with messed up hair , who had a cut over his eye, was in a T-shirt and was loudly complaining , rather than any of  the other men , with clean faces , hair combed , nicely dressed and remains silent.

lets not forget also they placed oswald in a line up with 3 teen boys one of whom was latino DARK SKINNED . witnesses were left in little to no doubt who the suspect was . even cab driver whalley testified that oswald was being RAILROADED , he said ANYONE WOULD HAVE PICKED HIM .and the late jim leavelle said the line ups were conducted fairly ? ? ? .

[Fergus O'Brien]

we know she said she heard the news and was working on her tv , and then oswald walked in . so from that we can pretty much establish that oswald came home at 1pm or shortly there after .

I'm not sure about the logic you're using here.
You can tell it was after 1pm because Roberts was working on her TV?
Roberts own reasoning for placing Oswald's arrival at the rooming house after 1pm is equally ridiculous:

"Now, it must have been around 1 o'clock, or maybe a little after, because it was after President Kennedy had been shot-what time I wouldn't want to say... "

It was after 1pm because it was after JFK had been shot??
What does that mean? How does that make it after 1pm?
That Roberts is totally guessing at the time is revealed by two details in her above statement:
"...it must have been..." = guessing
"...what time I wouldn't want to say..." = doesn't really know.

oswald emerges from his room and leaves . she watches tv for a spell longer . then apparently was curious and got up and went to her window and sees oswald still outside by the bus stop

Where does it state that Roberts watched TV before looking out of her window?

"Where does it state that Roberts watched TV before looking out of her window?" dan omeara

"at approximately 1 :OO pm I was sitting in the
living room watching television about the President’s assassination when a man
I knew as 0. H. Lee, but who has since been identified as Lee Harvey oswald " earlene roberts

"Oswald went out the front door. A moment later I looked out the window. I
saw Lee Oswald standing on the curb at the bus stop just to the right" earlene roberts


she said she was sitting in the living room watching tv , a moment later after oswald left she looked out the window , her words not mine .

to some degree yes she guessed at the time , which means she did not look at a clock .but that does not mean she was not accurate in her guess . thats accurate not perfect .we know when normal programs were stopped and news of the assassination took over .she cant have watched news of the assassination before the news cut in . so we know it had just turned 1pm .

[Dan O'meara]

"Where does it state that Roberts watched TV before looking out of her window?" dan omeara

"at approximately 1 :OO pm I was sitting in the
living room watching television about the President’s assassination when a man
I knew as 0. H. Lee, but who has since been identified as Lee Harvey oswald " earlene roberts

"Oswald went out the front door. A moment later I looked out the window. I
saw Lee Oswald standing on the curb at the bus stop just to the right" earlene roberts


she said she was sitting in the living room watching tv , a moment later after oswald left she looked out the window , her words not mine .

"her words not mine"

And my point is that you are saying something different from what Roberts is saying.
You are saying that after Oswald left the house, Roberts started watching TV and after a while she decided to look out of the window;
Here's what you actually posted:

oswald emerges from his room and leaves . she watches tv for a spell longer . then apparently was curious and got up and went to her window and sees oswald still outside by the bus stop


But that's not what Roberts says.
She states that after Oswald left the house she looked out of the window.
She does not say she went back to watching the TV and then decided to look out of the window.
That is something you've made up.
It's important that these details are correct when establishing what happened.

to some degree yes she guessed at the time , which means she did not look at a clock .but that does not mean she was not accurate in her guess . thats accurate not perfect .we know when normal programs were stopped and news of the assassination took over .she cant have watched news of the assassination before the news cut in . so we know it had just turned 1pm .

she cant have watched news of the assassination before the news cut in . so we know it had just turned 1pm .

This is completely incorrect.
You appear to be saying that the news of JFK's shooting first appeared on the 1PM news program. You are wrong.
The Roberts story is that she was at the rooming house and a friend of hers rang up to tell her that JFK had been shot and to turn on the TV.
Roberts turns on the TV and a program called "As The World Turns" is on [from 12:30pm to 1pm]
She watches this for a few minutes and a "Special Bulletin" comes on regarding the shooting of JFK.
There is something wrong with the TV and Roberts is trying to fix it, so she can find out about Kennedy and that's when Oswald comes in.

There are three "Special Bulletins" played while "As The World Turns" is on.
The first around 12:40pm
The second around 12:43pm
The third around 12:48pm.

Its is this third bulletin that comes on while she is watching "As The World Turns" [this program resumed playing after the second bulletin]
It can be assumed that her friend had seen one or both of the earlier bulletins then gave Roberts a call.
So it is any time after 12:48pm that Roberts could be referring to as the time when Oswald comes in.
It seems almost certain that it is before 1pm as she appears to be watching the third bulletin when Oswald comes in and not the 1pm News.
She makes no mention of the 1pm News program starting [which it does after the third bulletin].

Here is the actual channel Roberts was watching that day:

[Zeon Mason]

The only way it would be probable that Oswald  could have arrived at the boarding house at an earlier time of 12:50 is if Oswald never went to the McWatters bus , and sat  in that bus for several minutes.

To make it to the boarding house by 12:50, Oswald would have had to go directly to Whaleys taxi from leaving the TSBD at approx 1:33pm.

Oswald walked  the 7 blocks in about 6-7 minutes so he arrives ti Whaleys taxi approx 12:40pm.

Whaleys drives the distance to the point 5 blocks from the boarding house in approx 7-9 minutes.

Oswald exits the taxi at 12:48

He doubletimes the 5 block distance in about 2.5 minutes, thus arrives to the boarding house approx 12:50-12:51 pm.

[Dan O'meara]

The only way it would be probable that Oswald  could have arrived at the boarding house at an earlier time of 12:50 is if Oswald never went to the McWatters bus , and sat  in that bus for several minutes.

To make it to the boarding house by 12:50, Oswald would have had to go directly to Whaleys taxi from leaving the TSBD at approx 1:33pm.

Oswald walked  the 7 blocks in about 6-7 minutes so he arrives ti Whaleys taxi approx 12:40pm.

Whaleys drives the distance to the point 5 blocks from the boarding house in approx 7-9 minutes.

Oswald exits the taxi at 12:48

He doubletimes the 5 block distance in about 2.5 minutes, thus arrives to the boarding house approx 12:50-12:51 pm.

I think 12:50 would be pushing it but it is an interesting thought experiment.
If we assume Oswald is desperate and on the run [I'm not saying he is, it's just for the purposes of this thought experiment].
Let's see how quickly it is reasonably possible for Oswald to get from the TSBD to the shooting of Tippit.
Keeping any assumptions within the realms of distinct possibility:

Leaves TSBD at 12:33
6 minutes to get to bus - 12:39
Stays on bus 2 minutes - 12:41
3 minutes to reach taxi - 12:43
9 minute taxi ride - 12:52
3 minutes back to rooming house - 12:55
2 minutes to change - 12:57
2 minutes at bus stop - 12:59
10 minutes to Patton - 1:09