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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #112 on: June 21, 2023, 12:09:15 PM »
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Cite? LOL

We are not talking about any old rifle but a very specific 40 inch Italian Carcano not the 36 inch model but the 40 inch Italian Carcano and at the time Texas had a population of over ten million people, so Oswald is photographed with the exact same type of 40 inch Italian Carcano and this photo is taken just after Kleins sent the 40 inch Italian Carcano to Oswald's PO Box. Geez how unlucky is Oswald!

And again that poor unlucky Oswald is confronted with yet another obscure coincidence, which leads straight to the same type of 40 inch Italian Carcano found on the 6th floor of the very place where he works, that guy can't catch a break and another powerful coincidence is the 40 inch Italian Carcano found on the 6th floor just happens to have the same serial number of the 40 inch Italian Carcano that Kleins sent to Oswald's PO BOX. Poor poor Oswald! LOL

Also worth noting and of considerable importance is that Kleins at the time just started changing their ads to the 40 inch Italian Carcano. Ouch!

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What are you babbling about?

We are not talking about any old rifle but a very specific 40 inch Italian Carcano not the 36 inch model but the 40 inch Italian Carcano

What is so specific about a 40 inch MC?

and at the time Texas had a population of over ten million people,

What does that have to do with anything? You're all over the place

Oswald is photographed with the exact same type of 40 inch Italian Carcano and this photo is taken just after Kleins sent the 40 inch Italian Carcano to Oswald's PO Box.

Two massive assumption don't make it a fact.

Oswald is confronted with yet another obscure coincidence, which leads straight to the same type of 40 inch Italian Carcano found on the 6th floor of the very place where he works,

I don't believe in coincidences. If Oswald was indeed set up as a patsy, what better way than have him photographed holding a rifle that would later be found on the 6th floor?
The argument goes both ways. You just prefer one version and reject the other. That's what happens when you have an agenda.

another powerful coincidence is the 40 inch Italian Carcano found on the 6th floor just happens to have the same serial number of the 40 inch Italian Carcano that Kleins sent to Oswald's PO BOX.

There is no evidence whatsoever to show that any rifle was sent to Oswald's PO box, nor is there anyway to authenticate Waldman 7, which is the only document that has a serial number handwritten on it.

You keep going round in circles and it's getting you nowhere.

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #113 on: June 21, 2023, 09:35:17 PM »
As for the backyard photos, it's been well established that the same camera that took Oswald's family photo came from the same camera,

 BS: At best you can only say that about the one photo that a negative exists for.  But even that doesn't preclude a composite being re-photographed.

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Just accept that the photos show Oswald holding the exact type of rifle that was found on the 6th floor of Oswald's workplace and start any conspiracy from that point,

"exact type of rifle".  LOL.

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #114 on: June 21, 2023, 09:38:37 PM »
We are not talking about any old rifle but a very specific 40 inch Italian Carcano not the 36 inch model but the 40 inch Italian Carcano and at the time Texas had a population of over ten million people, so Oswald is photographed with the exact same type of 40 inch Italian Carcano

How did you determine the rifle in the photos is a "40 inch Italian Carcano".  Oh yeah, you did nothing but simply claiming it.

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and this photo is taken just after Kleins sent the 40 inch Italian Carcano to Oswald's PO Box. Geez how unlucky is Oswald!

"Kleins sent the 40 inch Italian Carcano to Oswald's PO Box".  LOL.

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #115 on: June 22, 2023, 12:57:08 AM »
@ John Mytton
It’s not so much that your presentations are irrational, because there is a probability that some of the evidence and some of the witnesses are correct to some percentage that we the “jury” can overcome some of our many doubts about the general WC theory and decide that only this one kook person killed JFK without really even much of a motive other than simply “opportunity”.

You and Bill Brown are the champion defenders of the WC theory to such extent that there seems to be no willingness on your part to at least modify the general WC theory to account for some of the timeline issues.

For example, the escape timeline from the SN to the 2nd floor lunchroom is basically LOCKED to an absolute not later than 90 secs post shots, and it is often presented that the meeting most likely occurred earlier than that because of the WC time trial establishing a possible earliest time of approx 75 sec post shots.

Why does this particular time of not later than 90 secs max HAVE to be the absolute truth?

Is it because of Mrs Reid who interjected herself in the equation with her particular story of ascended to the the 2nd floor office BY HERSELF and NOT in the company of any other employees?

Note: an assertion contradicted by Geneva Hines who witnessed Reid entering the office in the company of other employees.

Why not minimize Mrs Reid similar to Carolyn Arnold, Arnold Rowland, Dorothy Garner, etc. so that the 90 sec absolute can be adjusted with some degree of reasonable probability to allow the extra time Oswald would have needed on the 6th floor to wipe his prints off the rifle, and hiding it, as well to accommodate the  “rifle slowly withdrawn”sighting by Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch?

Just 15 secs longer than 90 secs and reassessing Mrs Reid as probably mistaken about an earlier meeting seeing Oswald in just a t-shirt , would resolve the time line problem.

Also, Imo, it is a mistake to avoid Mrs Garner and to alter Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles timing issue by just claiming it was 3 minutes post shots rather than 60 secs post shots of the 2 girls reaching the ground floor.

If Mrs Reid could be minimized as an “uncertain” witness, due to her  WC testimony of not really knowing the time, and Bakers own judgement that the time of meeting Oswald was probably 1min 30 secs at least ( which implies it could have been even a bit later ie: 2 min) , then the time line issue for  the escape route is 90% resolved.

The remaining 10% is Mrs Garners statement of having exited the 4th floor following Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles using the phrases “almost immediately” and “right behind them”, which is a time not exactly established in terms of secs. All that is known is that apparently Mrs Garner modified her original statement of “seeing” Adams and Styles go down the stairs to “hearing them” going down  when Garner reached  the staircase herself.

So there WAS an opportunity by Barry Ernest who was interviewing Garner to ask the question “What exactly did you hear on the staircase” or “ Did you hear just creaking noises or did you actually hear Adams and Styles voices or heels clacking?

Unfortunately , the question still remains as to exactly when Mrs Garner exits the 4th floor office door that allows her a clear LOS to the rear staircase and could she state definitely hearing Adams/Styles or did Garner just hear creaking noises on the steps?

If the later, then the other 10% of the problem is resolved, as it would be possible for Oswald to descend in a gap of time between A/S exiting the 4th floor office and Mrs Garner exiting and the noise of creaking heard was actually Oswald.


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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #116 on: June 22, 2023, 01:04:22 AM »
@ John Mytton
It’s not so much that your presentations are irrational, because there is a probability that some of the evidence and some of the witnesses are correct to some percentage that we the “jury” can overcome some of our many doubts about the general WC theory and decide that only this one kook person killed JFK without really even much of a motive other than simply “opportunity”.

You and Bill Brown are the champion defenders of the WC theory to such extent that there seems to be no willingness on your part to at least modify the general WC theory to account for some of the timeline issues.

For example, the escape timeline from the SN to the 2nd floor lunchroom is basically LOCKED to an absolute not later than 90 secs post shots, and it is often presented that the meeting most likely occurred earlier than that because of the WC time trial establishing a possible earliest time of approx 75 sec post shots.

Why does this particular time of not later than 90 secs max HAVE to be the absolute truth?

Is it because of Mrs Reid who interjected herself in the equation with her particular story of ascended to the the 2nd floor office BY HERSELF and NOT in the company of any other employees?

Note: an assertion contradicted by Geneva Hines who witnessed Reid entering the office in the company of other employees.

Why not minimize Mrs Reid similar to Carolyn Arnold, Arnold Rowland, Dorothy Garner, etc. so that the 90 sec absolute can be adjusted with some degree of reasonable probability to allow the extra time Oswald would have needed on the 6th floor to wipe his prints off the rifle, and hiding it, as well to accommodate the  “rifle slowly withdrawn”sighting by Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch?

Just 15 secs longer than 90 secs and reassessing Mrs Reid as probably mistaken about an earlier meeting seeing Oswald in just a t-shirt , would resolve the time line problem.

Also, Imo, it is a mistake to avoid Mrs Garner and to alter Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles timing issue by just claiming it was 3 minutes post shots rather than 60 secs post shots of the 2 girls reaching the ground floor.

If Mrs Reid could be minimized as an “uncertain” witness, due to her  WC testimony of not really knowing the time, and Bakers own judgement that the time of meeting Oswald was probably 1min 30 secs at least ( which implies it could have been even a bit later ie: 2 min) , then the time line issue for  the escape route is 90% resolved.

The remaining 10% is Mrs Garners statement of having exited the 4th floor following Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles using the phrases “almost immediately” and “right behind them”, which is a time not exactly established in terms of secs. All that is known is that apparently Mrs Garner modified her original statement of “seeing” Adams and Styles go down the stairs to “hearing them” going down  when Garner reached  the staircase herself.

So there WAS an opportunity by Barry Ernest who was interviewing Garner to ask the question “What exactly did you hear on the staircase” or “ Did you hear just creaking noises or did you actually hear Adams and Styles voices or heels clacking?

Unfortunately , the question still remains as to exactly when Mrs Garner exits the 4th floor office door that allows her a clear LOS to the rear staircase and could she state definitely hearing Adams/Styles or did Garner just hear creaking noises on the steps?

If the later, then the other 10% of the problem is resolved, as it would be possible for Oswald to descend in a gap of time between A/S exiting the 4th floor office and Mrs Garner exiting and the noise of creaking heard was actually Oswald.

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It’s not so much that your presentations are irrational...

Just a hint, if you expect me to read past your opening sentence, this is definitely not the way to start!

JohnM

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #116 on: June 22, 2023, 01:04:22 AM »


Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #117 on: June 22, 2023, 01:25:57 AM »
Sorry Mr. Bugliosi Dangerfield :)

I personally think you are VERY rational, and I follow your arguments and agree about 50% or more and struggle with questions you ask such as “How did the MC rifle get to 6th floor?




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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #118 on: June 22, 2023, 06:06:20 AM »
Just a hint, if you expect me to read past your opening sentence, this is definitely not the way to start!

JohnM

Can't handle the truth?    :D :D :D :D :D :D


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« Reply #118 on: June 22, 2023, 06:06:20 AM »


Offline John Mytton

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #119 on: June 22, 2023, 06:31:48 AM »
Can't handle the truth?    :D :D :D :D :D :D

You're ruining this Forum.

There was once a lot of bright and sincere conspiracy theorists who used to post here but clearly they don't want to be associated with a nasty bully like you.

I hope you're proud of yourself.

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