Who Killed J.D. Tippit?

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #735 on: September 23, 2023, 02:03:22 AM »
You’re right Mr.Ford, the POTUS had been killed, the nation/state/county/ and Dallas were in panic mode. Oswald was not just casually going to watch a movie at a theater nor wound he be just looking at shoes.

Considering that, carrying a revolver , therefore would be not so unusual especially if Oswald was going to the theatre to meet someone for  further instruction or guidance ( presuming Oswald is some kind of informant/ FBI/CIA asset).

Oswald Leaving the theatre at 1:30 though, and then entry to Brewers store was to avoid the police?

And then why did Oswald go BACK to the theatre?

Perhaps: he popped out to find a phone somewhere; then, seeing the heavy police presence, he took fright and went back into the cinema in hopes that his promised contact would after all turn up.

NB: he will have had no idea that an officer had been killed nearby, so his first assumption about the cop car activity would have been that it was somehow related to the events in Dealey Plaza. This inference spooked him. Had he been hung out to dry?

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #736 on: September 23, 2023, 11:19:58 PM »
In Reclaiming History, Mr. Vincent Bugliosi (or whichever luminary wrote this part of his book) writes (emphases added by me):

Julia E. Postal, the forty-seven-year-old ticket-taker, has been listening to the radio too. Just before the Texas Theater opened for business at 12:45 p.m., her daughter called to tell her that someone had shot the president, and she has been listening right there in the box office ever since. Though most of the police cars had turned around, one continued on, its siren blasting as it shot past the theater box office. John Callahan, the theater manager, who is standing next to Mrs. Postal, says, “Something’s about to pop.”
They both scramble out onto the sidewalk. The squad car looks like it’s stopping up the street. Callahan gets into his car at the curb to go see what’s happening. Shoe store manager Johnny Brewer, on the sidewalk east of the theater, sees the suspicious man, “walking a little faster than usual,” slip into the Texas Theater behind Postal’s back. For Brewer, it’s all adding up.


Now compare the very different account Mrs. Postal gives in her 4 Dec affidavit:



She is saying that man ducked into the theater BEFORE she went out onto the sidewalk-------i.e. she was still in the box office when this happened.

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #737 on: September 30, 2023, 04:32:39 AM »
If it’s true that Postal saw Oswald go past her while she’ was in the booth then wouldn’t she have said something like “HEY What are you doing sir? “
Since she apparently just watched Oswald go past and said nothing, that may indicate she KNEW he had already bought a ticket earlier at about 1:15, so no need to say anything.

So she saw Oswald twice, the 1st time at about 1:15 and Oswald stopped at the booth and paid for a ticket, then went inside and was seen by Burroughs 30 secs later (basically 1:15 also.)

The 2nd time Postal saw Oswald was about 1:35 pm as Oswald returns to the theater from having left the theater earlier at 1:20 pm, Oswald not having found whomever (or whatever?) he was looking for.

The dark blue jacket , which Earlene Roberts thinks maybe was the one Oswald was wearing when he left the house, must have been taken off by Oswald  after he was seen by Postal the 1st time and the jacket therefore left in some seat when Oswald went back out the theater AFTER 1:20pm.
 
Why Oswald went out to visit Brewers store is still not clear unless that was the nearest public phone available.

But then would not Oswald have been seen by Brewer USING the phone if it’s inside the store?

Was there a phone just OUTSIDE Brewers store?

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #738 on: September 30, 2023, 09:08:39 AM »
If it’s true that Postal saw Oswald go past her while she’ was in the booth then wouldn’t she have said something like “HEY What are you doing sir? “
Since she apparently just watched Oswald go past and said nothing, that may indicate she KNEW he had already bought a ticket earlier at about 1:15, so no need to say anything.

Yep

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So she saw Oswald twice, the 1st time at about 1:15 and Oswald stopped at the booth and paid for a ticket, then went inside and was seen by Burroughs 30 secs later (basically 1:15 also.)

The 2nd time Postal saw Oswald was about 1:35 pm as Oswald returns to the theater from having left the theater earlier at 1:20 pm, Oswald not having found whomever (or whatever?) he was looking for.

The dark blue jacket , which Earlene Roberts thinks maybe was the one Oswald was wearing when he left the house, must have been taken off by Oswald  after he was seen by Postal the 1st time and the jacket therefore left in some seat when Oswald went back out the theater AFTER 1:20pm.
 
Why Oswald went out to visit Brewers store is still not clear unless that was the nearest public phone available.

But then would not Oswald have been seen by Brewer USING the phone if it’s inside the store?

Was there a phone just OUTSIDE Brewers store?

I think he may have left briefly, and considerably later than 1:20, and had his search for a phone cut short by all the cop car activity, which freaked him out as relating possibly to himself. So he goes into the outside lobby of the shoe shop to avoid being seen by the cops, and then, when the coast is clear, returns to the Texas Theatre. Next thing he knows, the cops are descending on him in the theater.

For this scenario to work, he has to leave the Texas Theatre as the result of failing to find his contact. And that failure will have taken time: various seats to sit in. By contrast, he may have been away from the Texas Theatre for less than a couple of minutes
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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #739 on: September 30, 2023, 01:02:53 PM »
Yep

I think he may have left briefly, and considerably later than 1:20, and had his search for a phone cut short by all the cop car activity, which freaked him out as relating possibly to himself. So he goes into the outside lobby of the shoe shop to avoid being seen by the cops, and then, when the coast is clear, returns to the Texas Theatre. Next thing he knows, the cops are descending on him in the theater.

For this scenario to work, he has to leave the Texas Theatre as the result of failing to find his contact. And that failure will have taken time: various seats to sit in. By contrast, he may have been away from the Texas Theatre for less than a couple of minutes

His being seen by Mrs. Roberts leaving the rooming-house in a dark jacket, and his being arrested wearing no jacket, strongly supports this scenario IMO. Because it suggests he left his jacket behind in the Texas Theatre, expecting to return after making his phone call. 'Where the hell is X?' 'Don't worry, they're on their way to the Theatre. Go back and sit tight.'

Remember: in all this, Mr. Oswald knows nothing about the killing of a police officer a few blocks away. So he will be understandably connecting the urgent police car activity on Jefferson to the Dealey Plaza shooting---------and his own unwitting connection to that. So spooked out will he be by this thought that he'll abort mission on the phone call and return to the Theatre, hoping against hope his promised contact will turn up. Reconnecting his body with his jacket will be the least of his worries.
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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #740 on: September 30, 2023, 01:22:22 PM »
PRIME CANDIDATE FOR MAN IN LIGHT BROWN JACKET ENCOUNTERED BY OFFICER BAKER BY REAR STAIRS SEVERAL FLOORS UP IN TSBD:



PRIME CANDIDATE FOR TAN JACKET MAN (=SHOOTER OF OFFICER TIPPIT):



Whether it really is this guy in both cases, or someone matching his description remarkably well, there is a simple fact about him that distinguishes him from Mr. Oswald: between Dealey Plaza and Oak Cliff, he has not changed his clothing.

So IF Officer Tippit pulls over and talks with him, for whatever reason, HE will understandably fear/infer that the cop he encountered by the stairs in the Depository just after the shooting gave his full description, leading to a police radio broadcast. He feels especially exposed, and is panicked into shooting the officer.

It is very possible that this guy---------Tan Jacket Man----------finds himself in much the same situation as Mr. Oswald. He signed up for a White House-approved false-flag missed-shots incident, performed his part faithfully from the SN window, only to discover with horror just afterwards that something much more nefarious was going on: an actual assassination. If so, then the man encountered by Officer Tippit on Tenth St. is, just like Mr. Oswald in the Texas Theatre, a 'guiltocent' man on the run from the cops.

What's he doing on Tenth St.? One answer might be: going to catch a bus for Red Bird Airport. He's the LHO-resembling 'Oswald' whose flight 'to Cuba' was to be a core element in the original planned story fed to the world by the Kennedy administration. Despite what just happened back in Dealey Plaza, he's sticking with the plan.

But after the lethal encounter with the officer, he's a cop killer to boot. All bets are off. So he flees down Patton a little ways before turning into the alley, as seen by i.a. Ms. Helen Markham, and by Mr. Bill Brown's least favorite witness, Mr. Jimmy Burt@1963:


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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #741 on: September 30, 2023, 01:41:24 PM »
His being seen by Mrs. Roberts leaving the rooming-house in a dark jacket, and his being arrested wearing no jacket, strongly supports this scenario IMO. Because it suggests he left his jacket behind in the Texas Theatre, expecting to return after making his phone call. 'Where the hell is X?' 'Don't worry, they're on their way to the Theatre. Go back and sit tight.'

Remember: in all this, Mr. Oswald knows nothing about the killing of a police officer a few blocks away.

This NB!

During his arrest at the Texas Theatre, Mr. Oswald believes------------erroneously------------that the cops are nabbing him because they know of his involvement in the Dealey Plaza outrage. Because he really was involved in the false-flag operation (NOT the assassination), he knows he is in very deep trouble. There was no contact in the Theatre, he has not been extracted. And the fact that the cops have tracked him down so quickly can only mean one thing: he has been made a patsy by the very people he's being serving all along-----------------the Kennedy administration.

When the cops start talking about a murdered officer, he is genuinely bewildered.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2023, 01:46:06 PM by Alan Ford »