The Nest

[John Iacoletti]

Based on how obscured a person in the position of firing the head shot would be from Brennan’s position, I don’t see a reasonable basis for that determination.

[Charles Collins]

Based on how obscured a person in the position of firing the head shot would be from Brennan’s position, I don’t see a reasonable basis for that determination.

Keeping in mind the circumstances, how “obscured” would you suggest that person would need be in order to not be able to determine it was the same person? Also, I suggest that concealed (or obstructed from view) might be a better word than obscured for this situation.

[John Iacoletti]

Look at your re-creation. You’re in profile. The entire bottom of your face is obstructed. There’s a rifle up to your face. Only a tiny patch of your shirt is visible and you’re wearing bright, contrasting colors. Couple that with Brennan’s actual distance.

Brennan somehow thought he saw this person from the belt up at the time of the shot. I don’t see how that is remotely possible, so what else did he imagine/embellish?

[Charles Collins]

Look at your re-creation. You’re in profile. The entire bottom of your face is obstructed. There’s a rifle up to your face. Only a tiny patch of your shirt is visible and you’re wearing bright, contrasting colors. Couple that with Brennan’s actual distance.

Brennan somehow thought he saw this person from the belt up at the time of the shot. I don’t see how that is remotely possible, so what else did he imagine/embellish?

I didn't think that you would answer the question. 

[Charles Collins]

Look at your re-creation. You’re in profile. The entire bottom of your face is obstructed. There’s a rifle up to your face. Only a tiny patch of your shirt is visible and you’re wearing bright, contrasting colors. Couple that with Brennan’s actual distance.

Brennan somehow thought he saw this person from the belt up at the time of the shot. I don’t see how that is remotely possible, so what else did he imagine/embellish?

You’re in profile.

Technically no. A profile is at a 90-degree angle. This is less than 45-degrees. This makes a big difference according to this study.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042698909002557


The entire bottom of your face is obstructed.

Only a very small portion. So what? If you think that small amount makes a significant difference, this study suggests otherwise.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rsos.201169


There’s a rifle up to your face.

So what? It is on the opposite side and isn’t obstructing any of it.   



Only a tiny patch of your shirt is visible and you’re wearing bright, contrasting colors.

It is a matter of lighting and resulting shadows. When the referenced photo was taken, I didn’t yet have the lighting set up to simulate the actual lighting at 12:30 pm on 11/22/63 in Dealey Plaza. And, when the photo website I use becomes useable again, I will post some photos that demonstrate revised lighting to show that the angle of the sun at 12:30 pm on 11/22.63 reduces those shadows. Plus a thinner arm without a loose fitting shirt sleeve would reduce the shadows further.


Couple that with Brennan’s actual distance.

Already addressed distance. It isn’t the barrier that you insinuate.



Brennan somehow thought he saw this person from the belt up at the time of the shot. I don’t see how that is remotely possible, so what else did he imagine/embellish?


Mr. BELIN. At the time you saw this man on the sixth floor, how much of the man could you see?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.


I will show you, with photographic evidence, that it is possible. Unfortunately we have to wait until the photo sharing website is useable again. I think Brennan is “guesstimating” (because he must not have remembered exactly how much of the man he could see) when he says “a possibility.” But it appears to me (from my experiments) that Brennan saw almost down to the belt, but not quite.

[Zeon Mason]

Looks to me like Mr.Collins has empirically demonstrated that  the seated position is plausible and is actually a comfortable position for the gunman from which he can hide himself (and rifle) from the Hughes film angle , then he can easily move his rifle to a shooting position when the JFK limo begins down Elm st.

This refutes the  CT “Cramped Snipers Nest” argument that the shooter would have had an awkward position if the boxes were so stacked as per the WC photos,

IDK if Mr Collins is 5’-9” in height nor if that window in his model is 15.5 inches open , but the seated position /with legs slightly perpendicular seems to be quite the most natural position that fits the arrangement of the boxes as were allegedly first photographed before the 2nd configuration photos introduced suspicion that the scene was created by conspirators after the fact.

[Charles Collins]

Looks to me like Mr.Collins has empirically demonstrated that  the seated position is plausible and is actually a comfortable position for the gunman from which he can hide himself (and rifle) from the Hughes film angle , then he can easily move his rifle to a shooting position when the JFK limo begins down Elm st.

This refutes the  CT “Cramped Snipers Nest” argument that the shooter would have had an awkward position if the boxes were so stacked as per the WC photos,

IDK if Mr Collins is 5’-9” in height nor if that window in his model is 15.5 inches open , but the seated position /with legs slightly perpendicular seems to be quite the most natural position that fits the arrangement of the boxes as were allegedly first photographed before the 2nd configuration photos introduced suspicion that the scene was created by conspirators after the fact.

I am about 5'9" tall. The window opening in the masonry is 14" above the finished floor. The window stool is 2" above the opening in the masonry. And the window is open 19" above the stool. The boxes are dimensions very carefully derived (thanks again for the help) from the WC photos, the ones with the rulers alongside the boxes. The model can be modified if I made any mistakes.