When the SN was built

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2023, 05:50:20 PM »
This is just the old impossible standard of proof argument.  Day confirms that he found Oswald's print on the rifle.   You just dismiss this by suggesting that it is possible that he lied.  You make no effort whatsoever to support this claim.  It would be impossible to convict anyone of a crime if a defense could be raised that there is doubt because it is merely possible that the police are lying about the evidence.  Which is why even in a criminal trial in which there is a presumption of innocence, that the defense can't introduce such a claim without some evidence to support it.

And you really want to suggest it was just bad luck that Oswald happened to be the ONLY TSBD employee to leave identifiable prints on the SN boxes?  Wow.

This is just the old impossible standard of proof argument.

Not really. It's more the superficiality of your arguments that fail to convince.

Day confirms that he found Oswald's print on the rifle.

"Day said so" isn't compelling evidence, when his actions are suspect (to say the least) and there is no credible record or chain of custody for a print taped on a piece of paper.
FBI SA Vincent Drain didn't believe him, so why should we?

You just dismiss this by suggesting that it is possible that he lied.

No, it's the circumstances as a whole, the FBI not finding any prints or residue of a lifted print on the rifle, the complete failure of following procedure by Day, the total lack of a credible chain of custody and the fact that Day allegedly kept the print in his desk for a week without telling anybody. The record shows that everybody was completely surprised when Day suddenly produced the card with the print on it, just before all the evidence was shipped to Washington for the second time.

You make no effort whatsoever to support this claim.

Already done. You just don't like it. Explain to me why Day did not produce the print, when Oswald was still alive and the FBI said they could not find even a trace of a print on the rifle?

It would be impossible to convict anyone of a crime if a defense could be raised that there is doubt because it is merely possible that the police are lying about the evidence.

To eliminate the possibility of police misconduct there are procedures in place and a credible chain of custody needs to be provided. When this is not done, it can not be ruled out that the evidence is tainted.

Which is why even in a criminal trial in which there is a presumption of innocence, that the defense can't introduce such a claim without some evidence to support it.

No defense lawyer will argue that "it is merely possible that the police are lying". The argument doesn't have to be made when evidence can not be authenticated.

And you really want to suggest it was just bad luck that Oswald happened to be the ONLY TSBD employee to leave identifiable prints on the SN boxes?

Did he?
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2023, 05:56:57 PM »
This is just the old impossible standard of proof argument.  Day confirms that he found Oswald's print on the rifle.   You just dismiss this by suggesting that it is possible that he lied.

Nope, Mr. Weidmann has queried the integrity of Lt. Day's claim by citing Agent Drain's belief that this claim is not to be trusted

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2023, 06:02:05 PM »
V. weak sauce, Mr. Collins.........

Mrs. Rowland is not Mr. Rowland

Mr. Edwards is referring to a later point in time

Mr. Brennan is referring to a later point in time

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Mrs. Rowland's testimony is relevant regardless of whether you like it or not. You cannot just dismiss it because "she isn't Mr. Rowland". She was with him at the time and discussed what he saw with him at that time.

Mr. Edwards time frame is only a few minutes later in time. What is significant is that he said he didn't see anyone on the fifth floor at that time. However we have solid evidence that there was three men looking out the fifth floor windows directly below the sniper's nest (and one set of windows west). It shows that if Mr. Edwards could be mistaken, then so could Mr. Rowland.

Mr Brennan said he arrived as the epileptic event was happening. And he said he observed the sniper in the window very soon afterward and well before the motorcade arrived. So, I don't think it was much later at all.

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #87 on: February 03, 2023, 09:04:38 PM »
Mrs. Rowland's testimony is relevant regardless of whether you like it or not. You cannot just dismiss it because "she isn't Mr. Rowland". She was with him at the time and discussed what he saw with him at that time.

She discussed with him the thing he considered as worthy of remark: an armed man. You've got nothing here

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Mr. Edwards time frame is only a few minutes later in time. What is significant is that he said he didn't see anyone on the fifth floor at that time. However we have solid evidence that there was three men looking out the fifth floor windows directly below the sniper's nest (and one set of windows west). It shows that if Mr. Edwards could be mistaken, then so could Mr. Rowland.

Mr Brennan said he arrived as the epileptic event was happening. And he said he observed the sniper in the window very soon afterward and well before the motorcade arrived. So, I don't think it was much later at all.

Another nice try, Mr. Collins, but I'm afraid you need to re-read those portions of Mr. Rowland's testimony pertaining to the times he saw the 'elderly Negro' at the SN window. You've got nothing here either

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #88 on: February 03, 2023, 09:17:57 PM »
She discussed with him the thing he considered as worthy of remark: an armed man. You've got nothing here

Another nice try, Mr. Collins, but I'm afraid you need to re-read those portions of Mr. Rowland's testimony pertaining to the times he saw the 'elderly Negro' at the SN window. You've got nothing here either

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #89 on: February 03, 2023, 09:20:08 PM »

“However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing.” - George Orwell

Mr. Orwell is right! (And thanks for folding)

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #90 on: February 03, 2023, 09:28:25 PM »

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Now you think that you have become a mind reader?    ???

Why else would you postulate that Rowland mistook 3 black men on a different floor at a different time for a single black man in the "sniper's nest" at 12:15?