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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2023, 12:31:19 AM »
Feel free to make all the claims you would like. Nothing will change the fact there were not any of LHO’s fingerprints found on top of the box supporting your claim that LHO had opened the box to remove books. Fingerprints or the lack of them on the bottom of the box actually is irrelevant.

So lack of fingerprints on the top is somehow relevant, but not lack of fingerprints anywhere else. Nice special pleading. But the real question is, how are fingerprints anywhere on a cardboard box evidence of murder?

Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2023, 12:32:22 AM »
Nobody asked for your flawed and bogus "summary".

Prints were taken from the other TSBD employees who worked on that floor.  None of their prints were identified, as Oswald's were, as being on those same boxes.  They also "worked there" but left no such identifiable prints.  Only Oswald did.

And didn't that come in handy, right?

And here we learn that for some unspecified reason, that Day would lie AFTER Oswald's death about finding prints on the rifle EVEN if he were not involved in a conspiracy to frame Oswald.  Why he would do this is left to our imagination since there would be no prosecution of Oswald after his death and the only possible reason to lie about the prints would be to frame him for the crime and allow the guilty person to escape.

A far better question to ask (which is why you ignore it, of course) is; Why didn't Day say something when the FBI reported there were no prints on the rifle and Oswald was still alive? What possible reason could Day have had to stay silent?

the only possible reason to lie about the prints would be to frame him for the crime

You've answered your own question!  Thumb1:

How many (now proven) innocent people were convicted again over the years by Henry Wade and his corrupt ilk? In all those cases they allowed the guilty person to escape, right?

And Day's confirmation of finding Oswald's prints on the rifle is a "lie" because there is no "report" of him mentioning it for a whole week!  Of course, he very well could have done so verbally and there was simply no report to be made in that timeframe.

And now we're in La La Land. Again, finding a print of Oswald on the rifle used to kill Kennedy would be a big thing. The mere fact that Day allegedly managed to keep that print in his desk for six days means nobody knew about it or it simply wasn't there to begin with. Besides, nobody has ever come forward to confirm that Day told him about the print before Oswald died!

And even if he did not mention it, that alone does not cast doubt on his confirmation that it happened.

Only in your fantasy world. In the real world holding back a crucial piece of evidence for six days is not only a massive dereliction of duty but also destroys the chain of custody required for such evidence.

Again, Oswald would have been dead by that point.  So why would a member of the DPD feel the need to lie about finding the print?  There would be no prosecution of Oswald to present that evidence at trial.  The sole and only purpose would be to cover up the involvement of someone else and frame Oswald for the crime.   That means you are implying Day's lie was part of a conspiracy to frame Oswald - not prosecute him for the crime.  Can you understand the importance of that distinction?  The police might sometimes manufacture evidence to assist in the prosecution of a suspect but there is no reason to do so if there will be no trial.  What you are alleging is an intentional lie to cover up the crime even if you are not bright enough to realize it.  That means you are a CTer.

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2023, 01:39:00 AM »
Again, Oswald would have been dead by that point.  So why would a member of the DPD feel the need to lie about finding the print?  There would be no prosecution of Oswald to present that evidence at trial.  The sole and only purpose would be to cover up the involvement of someone else and frame Oswald for the crime.   That means you are implying Day's lie was part of a conspiracy to frame Oswald - not prosecute him for the crime.  Can you understand the importance of that distinction?  The police might sometimes manufacture evidence to assist in the prosecution of a suspect but there is no reason to do so if there will be no trial.  What you are alleging is an intentional lie to cover up the crime even if you are not bright enough to realize it.  That means you are a CTer.

Again, Oswald would have been dead by that point.

At what point would that be? Day claimed he lifted the print of the rifle on Friday evening, before the evidence was shipped to the FBI lab in Washington.
The evidence was returned the next day when Oswald was still alive. So, when the FBI did not find any prints on the rifle, why did Day stay quiet?

The police might sometimes manufacture evidence to assist in the prosecution of a suspect but there is no reason to do so if there will be no trial.

BS. There may not have been a trial in a court of law, but there's also the court of public opinion and Hoover as well as Katzenbach had already concluded that Oswald was a lone gunman. Against that background Day remarkably "remembering" this print turned out to be more than handy.

And btw, there never is a reason for police to "manufacture evidence to assist the prosecution"!

What you are alleging is an intentional lie to cover up the crime even if you are not bright enough to realize it.  That means you are a CTer.

Nope. Unlike you, I just look at the evidence honestly. There are more than enough indicators to justify the conclusion that the case was wrapped around Oswald regardless of his guilt or innocence.


Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2023, 02:02:45 AM »
     -- "JFK First Day Evidence" (1993 book)

Irrelevant as it is about what happened the second time the evidence was given to the FBI.

The first time this happened was on Friday evening at around 11 PM. It was flown to Washington, examined and returned to the DPD on Saturday, when Oswald was still alive.
The FBI found no trace of a print on the rifle, yet Day said nothing about the print he had allegedly lifted from the rifle until the evidence was turned over to the FBI the second time!

Why did Day stay silent after the FBI found no print or even a trace of a lifted print? What possible reason could Day have had to say nothing?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2023, 04:14:49 AM »
According to Rusty, "Drain was half listening to Lieutenant Day and half to the other FBI man and evidently didn't get the word about the palm print at that time."

“Evidently”.

Or Day never said a word to Drain because it didn’t exist yet.

Rusty to the rescue 30 years later with his magic briefcase…

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2023, 11:20:23 AM »
“However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing” — George Orwell

Online Charles Collins

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2023, 12:11:31 PM »
Gary Savage, “JFK First Day Evidence”, page 77 (quote of R.W. Livingston):

….“I am sure that Lieutenant Day, who was in charge of the Crime Lab, dusted the rifle that was found on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository, and lifted a partial palm print off the underside of the barrel after the rifle was taken apart. 2. They had the actual print there in the office that night. I compared it my self with Oswald’s palm print, and it looked to me like there was enough there to say yes, it was Oswald’s palm print. I think all the other people on the day shift had already looked at the palm print before I arrived that night, but I went ahead and looked at the palm print myself and was satisfied that it was Oswald’s.”