A time to receive and give (CE399)

[Andrew Mason]

Rather than this rabbit-hole nonsense, are there any "LNers" on the Forum who would like to start up a new Forum (or a sub-Forum here with invitation-only posters)?

There are some posters here who want to research the assassination and/or recreate it through 3D. No problem with an "LNer" like Mason who accepts most of the evidence and official findings in its totality but who has a unique theory, which I found interesting enough to investigate through 3D. Other "LNers" might want to make a full-scale build of the SN box arrangement or the paper package used to transport the rifle, or conduct Carcano firing tests, for example. Maybe some medical experts might be tempted to join.

The rabbit-hole CTs and impossible-standard "skeptics" can stay with the Forum or request their own sub-Forum.

If we were to have a discussion between LNers the main points in contention appear to be:

1. the timing of the shots, SBT, which shot Tague was struck on, whether and which shot missed (whether the head shot was the last shot)
2. why JFK recoils rearward after the head shot.

It might just be simpler to start new threads.

[John Iacoletti]

Jerry wants an echo chamber of people who all share the same faith-based dogma and pretend to do “research” that reinforces what they already believe.

Don’t let the door smack you in the ass.

[Martin Weidmann]

It depends on how reliable and accurate O.P. Wright's memory was in 1967.  It also depends on how reliable and accurate Josiah Thompson's account of his interaction with Wright was. 

What I am saying is that real evidence fits together and makes sense.
I am not sure how "unequivocal" he was in 1966. Thompson says "he seemed quite prepared to stick by his story" that the bullet he gave to Johnsen had a pointed tip. (Six Seconds in Dallas, p. 175).  I am also not sure how reliable we can expect Wright's memory of this to be 3 years after the fact. It wasn't very good 6 months after the fact (CE2011) because he couldn't recognize it when asked. But he also did not deny it like Thompson would have us believe he did in November 1966.

Having said that, it is somewhat surprising that Arlen Specter did not show Tomlinson the bullet CE399 or at least a photo of it when he examined him under oath in March 1964 (6 H 128).  But I don't see any reason to think that Specter was trying to hide anything. The point in speaking with Tomlinson was not to identify CE399 but to identify where the bullet that he found came from.
Secret Service agents are trained as law enforcement officers or investigators?  How do we know that?   It seems that no one wanted to take responsibility for it and kept passing it off until it eventually reached Todd who then turned it over to the FBI. 
I actually agree with you on this.  CE399 did not go through JBC.  CE399 was the first shot.  There is no clear evidence as to where it went after passing through JFK.  JBC said he was hit in the back on the second shot.  He never felt the thigh shot.  It would not be surprising if the bullet stuck in his left thigh and came out of his thigh when they put him on the stretcher.  It might have been spinning rapidly after exiting JFK's neck (it came out under his tie), struck JBC's thigh and kept going - landing somehow on the outside of his clothing. It is not something that can be determined because we don't have evidence of anything except the general trajectory.

It wasn't very good 6 months after the fact (CE2011) because he couldn't recognize it when asked. But he also did not deny it like Thompson would have us believe he did in November 1966.

Wrong, he didn't recognize it because he was never shown the bullet. S.A. Odum who, according to CE2011, is supposed to have shown CE399 to Tomlinson and Wright denied that he did so.

The point in speaking with Tomlinson was not to identify CE399 but to identify where the bullet that he found came from.

What bullet would that be? In order to identify where Tomlinson found "the bullet" one first has to establish which bullet one is talking about? And why not simply to both things? Identify the bullet and the location? During Humes' testimony, didn't Specter introduce CE399 into evidence subject to later proof, this is the missile which has been taken from the stretcher which the evidence now indicates was the stretcher occupied by Governor Connally?

Tomlinson was the only person who could identify the bullet and the location where he found it. IMO Specter did noy ask him a single question about the bullet because he could not risk Tomlinson saying on the record that the bullet shown to him wasn't the one he had found.

[Alan Ford]

Jerry wants an echo chamber of people who all share the same faith-based dogma and pretend to do “research” that reinforces what they already believe.

Don’t let the door smack you in the ass.

 

Mr. Organ & Co.----------in reluctant exile from the defunct McAdams newsgroup---------find real debate triggering. These smug gentlemen think they own this case, because they have the establishment on their side, and are made deeply uncomfortable by the regular reminders they get here that they don't. And now they want a safe space where they can disagree on minutiae whilst reassuring each other their understanding of the case is not completely bonkers.

[Richard Smith]

Collins and I recently worked together on the carton box sizes. And before that, the palm-print size on the rifle barrel. But not without pages of rabbit-hole distraction. Just a sub-Forum for "LNers" versus hundreds of pro-CT Forums and blogs; this Forum's lead Topic for years is Alan Ford's "Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )" about Lovelady being Oswald.

You don't believe that Oswald was on the front steps waving a Cuban flag?  And that Buell Frazier was secretly signaling that Oswald was standing on the stairs because he posed for a picture decades later with a finger extended?  This case is straightforward and simple.  Oswald did it.  Everyone knows that including many of these nuts since they never take their evidence to anyone other than the Internet.  What is going on now is just a circus to pass the time. 

[Alan Ford]

Collins and I recently worked together on the carton box sizes. And before that, the palm-print size on the rifle barrel. But not without pages of rabbit-hole distraction. Just a sub-Forum for "LNers" versus hundreds of pro-CT Forums and blogs; this Forum's lead Topic for years is Alan Ford's "Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )" about Lovelady being Oswald.

~Grin~

You & your buddies are in a panic at having completely lost control of the narrative. All you can do at this point is gaslight, distract, run away------------and then misrepresent what it was you ran away from. But, without Prof. McAdams' biased 'moderation' to protect you, all you do is reveal yourselves, to the many smart folks reading, for what you are: shameless peddlers of misinformation.

Your beloved cause is toast, Mr. Organ. You lost. Bye!

 

[Alan Ford]

You don't believe that Oswald was on the front steps waving a Cuban flag?  And that Buell Frazier was secretly signaling that Oswald was standing on the stairs because he posed for a picture decades later with a finger extended?  This case is straightforward and simple.  Oswald did it.  Everyone knows that including many of these nuts since they never take their evidence to anyone other than the Internet.  What is going on now is just a circus to pass the time.

~Grin~

Like Mr. Organ, Mr. Smith flees questions he can't answer, and then spins his humiliation into a glorious victory.

It just ain't working anymore, guys!