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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
« Reply #144 on: December 17, 2023, 03:50:44 AM »
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There isn't a valid trajectory from the SN that enters the back of JFK's head and exits the right side of his forehead at the hairline as shown in the following autopsy photo (cut away by Humes via some post mortem surgery):

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/postsurgery.jpg

And what happened to the gaping hole at the right occipital region of the back of JFK's head? Too many prominent medical personnel saw it and noted it. This was clearly an exit wound and the entrance wound at JFK's hairline was cut out to move the alleged exit wound to the center of the head as depicted by CE 388, which was pure horsesh*t.

So if this was actually a frontal shot given JFK's head tilt then the shot must have come from the overpass.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot.jpg

For those who contend that JFK's head moved forward from this shot, according to James Files, there were 2 near simultaneous shots that struck JFK at the "turkey shoot point" and perhaps more that missed. A designated turkey shoot point disguises many simultaneous shots to sound like a single shot. James used a hand held Fireball that shot a frangible bullet from the knoll, which entered the right side of JFK's head causing a right temple blowout after the bullet exploded. Files' frangible bullet dictated how the head moved according to the force of an uneven explosion.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_temple_blowout.jpg

There were likely some token shots taken from the TSBD or the DalTex buildings, possibly using the Mauser, which struck Connelly but not JFK. The kill shots would come from the front. The Magic Bullet also came from the front because there isn't a trajectory from the SN, 17 degrees from hz, entering JFK's back at T1 and out his throat at C7. You can prove it to yourself with 2 lasers.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_2lasers.png

Line up the laser at C7 in the front and note where the rear laser strikes your back, which is not at T1, since you would need to have your head almost between your legs to make that trajectory viable.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/MB2lasers2.png

The fact that the small throat wound was disguised to not look like an entrance wound means that's exactly what it was, a shot from the front. It took a downward trajectory from C7 to T1 and definitely struck the T1 vertebrae.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/x-ray_mb.gif

When the Magic Bullet struck the T1 vertebrae it broke up into several pieces and exited the back in fragments. The biggest fragment was pointed out to be a single entrance wound, which the WC tried to move up past T1 into the neck vertebrae because they knew the MB's trajectory from T1 to C7 was not feasible from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Here is the MB's trajectory from the front, which fits all the angles.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_AMBT.png

Mystery solved.  :)
« Last Edit: December 17, 2023, 04:38:05 AM by Jack Trojan »

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Re: LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
« Reply #144 on: December 17, 2023, 03:50:44 AM »


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Re: LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
« Reply #145 on: December 17, 2023, 04:05:58 PM »
There isn't a valid trajectory from the SN that enters the back of JFK's head and exits the right side of his forehead at the hairline as shown in the following autopsy photo (cut away by Humes via some post mortem surgery):

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/postsurgery.jpg

And what happened to the gaping hole at the right occipital region of the back of JFK's head? Too many prominent medical personnel saw it and noted it. This was clearly an exit wound and the entrance wound at JFK's hairline was cut out to move the alleged exit wound to the center of the head as depicted by CE 388, which was pure horsesh*t.

So if this was actually a frontal shot given JFK's head tilt then the shot must have come from the overpass.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot.jpg

For those who contend that JFK's head moved forward from this shot, according to James Files, there were 2 near simultaneous shots that struck JFK at the "turkey shoot point" and perhaps more that missed. A designated turkey shoot point disguises many simultaneous shots to sound like a single shot. James used a hand held Fireball that shot a frangible bullet from the knoll, which entered the right side of JFK's head causing a right temple blowout after the bullet exploded. Files' frangible bullet dictated how the head moved according to the force of an uneven explosion.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_temple_blowout.jpg

There were likely some token shots taken from the TSBD or the DalTex buildings, possibly using the Mauser, which struck Connelly but not JFK. The kill shots would come from the front. The Magic Bullet also came from the front because there isn't a trajectory from the SN, 17 degrees from hz, entering JFK's back at T1 and out his throat at C7. You can prove it to yourself with 2 lasers.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_2lasers.png

Line up the laser at C7 in the front and note where the rear laser strikes your back, which is not at T1, since you would need to have your head almost between your legs to make that trajectory viable.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/MB2lasers2.png

The fact that the small throat wound was disguised to not look like an entrance wound means that's exactly what it was, a shot from the front. It took a downward trajectory from C7 to T1 and definitely struck the T1 vertebrae.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/x-ray_mb.gif

When the Magic Bullet struck the T1 vertebrae it broke up into several pieces and exited the back in fragments. The biggest fragment was pointed out to be a single entrance wound, which the WC tried to move up past T1 into the neck vertebrae because they knew the MB's trajectory from T1 to C7 was not feasible from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Here is the MB's trajectory from the front, which fits all the angles.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_AMBT.png

Mystery solved.  :)

There isn't a valid trajectory from the SN that enters the back of JFK's head and exits the right side of his forehead at the hairline as shown in the following autopsy photo (cut away by Humes via some post mortem surgery):


The trajectory from the SN where the rifle and shells were found and the witnesses stated the shots came from is the only valid trajectory ever presented. The only mystery in this is why continually present made up theories that are not even remotely possible.

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Re: LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
« Reply #146 on: December 17, 2023, 06:38:53 PM »

The trajectory from the SN where the rifle and shells were found and the witnesses stated the shots came from is the only valid trajectory ever presented. The only mystery in this is why continually present made up theories that are not even remotely possible.

Show me the geometry of the "only valid trajectory ever presented", if you can. My impossible "made up theories" are based on photogrammetric analyses of the Zapruder film and the geometry of the crime scene. Your opinions appear to come from your LNer gut. Good luck with that.

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Re: LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
« Reply #146 on: December 17, 2023, 06:38:53 PM »


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Re: LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
« Reply #147 on: December 17, 2023, 11:05:52 PM »
There isn't a valid trajectory from the SN that enters the back of JFK's head and exits the right side of his forehead at the hairline as shown in the following autopsy photo (cut away by Humes via some post mortem surgery):

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/postsurgery.jpg

And what happened to the gaping hole at the right occipital region of the back of JFK's head? Too many prominent medical personnel saw it and noted it. This was clearly an exit wound and the entrance wound at JFK's hairline was cut out to move the alleged exit wound to the center of the head as depicted by CE 388, which was pure horsesh*t.

There is no gaping wound at the very back of the right-side skull. In the 1980s, some Parkland doctors were shown this drawing, the only un-cropped (out of public taste) drawing of the head made available by the HSCA.



Of course, no one at Parkland saw such a viewpoint. I don't know if the person who showed them such a photo anticipated they would not say "Yeah, that's exactly what I saw". A few years later, four Parkland doctors were shown the full range of autopsy photos (including viewpoints they could compare to their memories) at the National Archives and all said the pictures were as they remembered the wounds they had seen in 1963.

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So if this was actually a frontal shot given JFK's head tilt then the shot must have come from the overpass.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot.jpg

For those who contend that JFK's head moved forward from this shot, according to James Files, there were 2 near simultaneous shots that struck JFK at the "turkey shoot point" and perhaps more that missed. A designated turkey shoot point disguises many simultaneous shots to sound like a single shot. James used a hand held Fireball that shot a frangible bullet from the knoll, which entered the right side of JFK's head causing a right temple blowout after the bullet exploded. Files' frangible bullet dictated how the head moved according to the force of an uneven explosion.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_temple_blowout.jpg

Please seek help.

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There were likely some token shots taken from the TSBD or the DalTex buildings, possibly using the Mauser, which struck Connelly but not JFK. The kill shots would come from the front. The Magic Bullet also came from the front because there isn't a trajectory from the SN, 17 degrees from hz, entering JFK's back at T1 and out his throat at C7. You can prove it to yourself with 2 lasers.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_2lasers.png

Line up the laser at C7 in the front and note where the rear laser strikes your back, which is not at T1, since you would need to have your head almost between your legs to make that trajectory viable.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/MB2lasers2.png

First of all, you got the trajectory backwards. It's C7 at the back (actually base of the back of the neck, per autopsy report) and T1 at the throat (per autopsy photo showing it just above the clavicles).

 

Here's Jack doing the laser experiment. Charles Collins did it with commercial-grade equipment and had different results.



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The fact that the small throat wound was disguised to not look like an entrance wound means that's exactly what it was, a shot from the front. It took a downward trajectory from C7 to T1 and definitely struck the T1 vertebrae.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/x-ray_mb.gif

When the Magic Bullet struck the T1 vertebrae it broke up into several pieces and exited the back in fragments. The biggest fragment was pointed out to be a single entrance wound, which the WC tried to move up past T1 into the neck vertebrae because they knew the MB's trajectory from T1 to C7 was not feasible from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Here is the MB's trajectory from the front, which fits all the angles.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_AMBT.png

Mystery solved.  :)



Here's the image referred to at the end of the quote. Compare again the height of the neck wound ("Entrance C7") above the clavicles in Jack's picture with the real height of the neck wound above the clavicles in the autopsy photo.




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Re: LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
« Reply #148 on: December 18, 2023, 07:23:52 AM »
Show me the geometry of the "only valid trajectory ever presented", if you can. My impossible "made up theories" are based on photogrammetric analyses of the Zapruder film and the geometry of the crime scene. Your opinions appear to come from your LNer gut. Good luck with that.

The geometry has been done to death.

No, you just prefer your opinion, you are presenting a preconceived personal notion of how you want it to be instead of adjusting your opinion to the existing facts. In the end you present a shot that only you think is even a possibility, totally void of any other corroboration of any kind.

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Re: LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
« Reply #148 on: December 18, 2023, 07:23:52 AM »


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Re: LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
« Reply #149 on: December 18, 2023, 01:16:51 PM »
The trajectory from the SN where the rifle and shells were found and the witnesses stated the shots came from is the only valid trajectory ever presented. The only mystery in this is why continually present made up theories that are not even remotely possible.

And people wonder how there can be a Flat Earth Society in our day. Are you aware that there are two very different SN-to-head trajectories, i.e., the WC's and the HSCA's? Which one do you accept?

The WC experts said the bullet struck JFK's head "slightly above" and 2.5 cm (1 inch) to the right of the external occipital protuberance (EOP). (Finck indicated to the HSCA that "slightly above" was 1 cm, or 4/10ths of an inch.) But the Clark Panel and the HSCA medical panel said that the bullet struck 10 cm higher (or 3.9 inches higher), and that the autopsy doctors had committed the mind-boggling blunder of mistaking a wound in the cowlick, clearly above the lambda, for a wound that was 10 cm lower, slightly above the EOP, even though they reflected the scalp and had good reference points for locating the wound (the EOP, the hairline, and the lambda).

Obviously, the entry wound site that you choose will have a huge impact on the trajectory that you try to trace back to the sixth-floor window (SN).

The WC experts said that the EOP entry wound trajected back to the SN. To make the trajectory work, they had to assume that JFK's head was tilted over 50 degrees forward (CE 388). However, the HSCA experts produced two conflicting trajectory analyses. The HSCA medical experts found it necessary to assume a forward head tilt of about 27 degrees, but the HSCA trajectory expert, NASA scientist Tom Canning, said that the head was tilted only about 11 degrees forward. Both of the HSCA analyses assumed that the entry wound was the cowlick site.

Which entry site do you accept? If you accept the cowlick site, you need to face the unsolvable problems with the site. But, if you accept the EOP site, you must believe that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent, since they categorically rule out the EOP site because they show a virtually undamaged cerebellum and no damage to the rear part of the right occipital lobe. On the other hand, the top-of-head autopsy photos show intact cerebral cortex in/beneath the cowlick site, a physical impossibility if a bullet entered there.

There is an explanation that resolves all of these and other issues, but it means abandoning the lone-gunman fiction. The explanation is that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent, that the cowlick site is not a bullet wound, that two bullets hit the skull, that one of those two bullets hit the right temple (just as was initially reported by White House press secretary Malcolm Kilduff), and that the back-of-head fragments are ricochet fragments (just as the Clark Panel privately believed). Once you graduate to this realization, (1) the two very different wound paths in the brain--the cortical and subcortical damage--pose no problem; (2) the high fragment trail poses no problem; (3) the undamaged cerebral cortex in/under the cowlick site poses no problem; and (4) the back-of-head fragments pose no problem.
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« Reply #150 on: December 18, 2023, 03:30:06 PM »
And people wonder how there can be a Flat Earth Society in our day. Are you aware that there are two very different SN-to-head trajectories, i.e., the WC's and the HSCA's? Which one do you accept?

The WC experts said the bullet struck JFK's head "slightly above" and 2.5 cm (1 inch) to the right of the external occipital protuberance (EOP). (Finck indicated to the HSCA that "slightly above" was 1 cm, or 4/10ths of an inch.) But the Clark Panel and the HSCA medical panel said that the bullet struck 10 cm higher (or 3.9 inches higher), and that the autopsy doctors had committed the mind-boggling blunder of mistaking a wound in the cowlick, clearly above the lambda, for a wound that was 10 cm lower, slightly above the EOP, even though they reflected the scalp and had good reference points for locating the wound (the EOP, the hairline, and the lambda).

Obviously, the entry wound site that you choose will have a huge impact on the trajectory that you try to trace back to the sixth-floor window (SN).

The WC experts said that the EOP entry wound trajected back to the SN. To make the trajectory work, they had to assume that JFK's head was tilted over 50 degrees forward (CE 388). However, the HSCA experts produced two conflicting trajectory analyses. The HSCA medical experts found it necessary to assume a forward head tilt of about 27 degrees, but the HSCA trajectory expert, NASA scientist Tom Canning, said that the head was tilted only about 11 degrees forward. Both of the HSCA analyses assumed that the entry wound was the cowlick site.

Which entry site do you accept? If you accept the cowlick site, you need to face the unsolvable problems with the site. But, if you accept the EOP site, you must believe that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent, since they categorically rule out the EOP site because they show a virtually undamaged cerebellum and no damage to the rear part of the right occipital lobe. On the other hand, the top-of-head autopsy photos show intact cerebral cortex in/beneath the cowlick site, a physical impossibility if a bullet entered there.

There is an explanation that resolves all of these and other issues, but it means abandoning the lone-gunman fiction. The explanation is that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent, that the cowlick site is not a bullet wound, that two bullets hit the skull, that one of those two bullets hit the right temple (just as was initially reported by White House press secretary Malcolm Kilduff), and that the back-of-head fragments are ricochet fragments (just as the Clark Panel privately believed). Once you graduate to this realization, (1) the two very different wound paths in the brain--the cortical and subcortical damage--pose no problem; (2) the high fragment trail poses no problem; (3) the undamaged cerebral cortex in/under the cowlick site poses no problem; and (4) the back-of-head fragments pose no problem.

Flat Earth Society? I did not know they had a society. I like that maybe I will have to join. It pales in comparison to people who believe the Earth is 7000 years old with the Romans interacting with the dinosaurs.

Your only point in this long-winded post is the position of JFK’s head and where did the bullet strike the back of the head? That is it? The essential facts still are there was a shot having been fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD striking JFK in the head. You are having a problem with their interpretations? You think these experts should all have agreed exactly on how they determined JFK’s position and LHO’s position and the effect of the bullet? Really? 

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« Reply #151 on: December 18, 2023, 04:07:47 PM »
Flat Earth Society? I did not know they had a society. I like that maybe I will have to join. It pales in comparison to people who believe the Earth is 7000 years old with the Romans interacting with the dinosaurs.

Humm, so you think that believing in a 7K-year-old Earth is far worse than believing in a flat Earth? Personally, I reject the young Earth view and believe the Earth is far older than 7K years, but one must admit that carbon dating can be wildly inaccurate. On the other hand, the Flat Earth Society claims that all the thousands of photos and videos of the Earth have been faked or doctored.

Your only point in this long-winded post is the position of JFK’s head and where did the bullet strike the back of the head? That is it?

"That is it"?? A difference of 10 cm in the entry wound's location and a difference of 20-plus degrees in the head's forward tilt are enormous factors and issues. They are not trivial details but major, crucial factors. 

The essential facts still are there was a shot having been fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD striking JFK in the head. You are having a problem with their interpretations? You think these experts should all have agreed exactly on how they determined JFK’s position and LHO’s position and the effect of the bullet? Really?

No, "the essential facts" are most certainly not "still there." Do you not grasp the fact that a 10-cm difference in the entry site's location and a 20-plus-degree difference in the head's forward tilt are gigantic and mutually incompatible differences?

I notice you ducked the issue of which entry site you're using. Why is that?

Again, if you use the cowlick site, you must face the unsolvable problems with that site, starting with the fact that accepting that site means you must reject the authenticity of the top-of-head autopsy photos because they show intact cerebral cortex at that same location, which is obviously impossible if a bullet entered there.

But, if you accept the EOP site, you must admit that the autopsy brain photos are bogus because they show a virtually pristine cerebellum and right-rear occipital lobe, which is obviously absurd if a bullet entered at that location.

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