LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments

[Jack Nessan]

LOL!!! You bet! IOW, all the multiple and independently done OD measurements, the JFK skull x-rays, and the eyewitness accounts that prove the autopsy photos are invalid are wrong because they contradict the autopsy photos!

Right: Never mind that the skull x-rays show much more brain missing than the autopsy brain photos show! The pieces of JFK's brain that were blown onto 16 surfaces must have weighed only 1-2 ounces because the autopsy brain photos show only 1-2 ounces of missing brain tissue! All the witnesses who got good looks at JFK's brain and who said at least 1/4 to 3/4 of it were blown away must have been "mistaken," even though one of them was the mortician who reassembled JFK's skull!

Really, deep down, you guys have to know your arguments are utter nonsense. Somewhere in a tiny corner of your minds, you have to know that you can't just wave aside multiple OD measurements done separately by two highly qualified medical experts, that you can't argue that all the brain matter that was blown onto 16 surfaces weighed only 1-2 ounces, and that you can't just ignore the fact that the skull x-rays show far more missing brain tissue than the brain photos show, etc., etc.

At some point, you have to face Occam's Razor and stop denying hard science and solid evidence just because they destroy your version of the shooting.

What are you laughing about? One picture is worth a thousand words. In your case it is two autopsy pictures must be worth two thousand words. Why continue to deny what can be visually verified? First, there is not a wound in the back of the head. That removes most of your experts from the discussion. That pretty much leaves just the individual who said it was 1 to 2 ounces.

OD measurements? Really. These experts, were they not aware of the photos? Is it too late to send them to these experts?

MG---"At some point, you have to face Occam's Razor and stop denying hard science and solid evidence just because they destroy your version of the shooting."

The only Occam's Razor in any of this exists in the number of shots. Occam's razor supports there were only two shots. As did the WC and HSCA conclusions. Why aren’t you proposing two shots in 5.6 seconds? That is what Josiah wrote in Six Seconds in Dallas. He has been right about that since 1966 but refuses to accept he was correct. If you can actually prove there was a third shot in the 5.6 seconds, you can prove there was a conspiracy. Is not that your goal here? Proving a conspiracy?
 

 

[Michael T. Griffith]

What are you laughing about? One picture is worth a thousand words. In your case it is two autopsy pictures must be worth two thousand words. Why continue to deny what can be visually verified? First, there is not a wound in the back of the head. That removes most of your experts from the discussion. That pretty much leaves just the individual who said it was 1 to 2 ounces.

More LOL! IOW, all the evidence that the autopsy photos are inaccurate is wrong because the autopsy photos must be accurate! This is another version of your circular, evasive argument. You wave aside all the evidence that contradicts the autopsy photos--the OD measurements, the conflicting skull x-rays, the massive and mutually corroborating eyewitness accounts of a large back-of-head wound, the 16 surfaces onto which brain matter were blown--because you assume the autopsy photos are accurate.

OD measurements? Really. These experts, were they not aware of the photos? Is it too late to send them to these experts?

IOW, the known and established science of optical density (OD) measurement of x-rays must be discarded in this case because multiple and independently done OD measurements of the JFK skull x-rays contradict the autopsy brain photos! Here, too, your argument boils down to the silly circular dodge that even hard scientific evidence against the autopsy brain photos cannot be valid because the autopsy brain photos are valid, even though the brain photos contradict the autopsy report, even though Dr. Humes himself admitted that 2/3 of the right cerebrum was blown away, even though Dr. Fred Hodges said the skull x-rays show "a goodly portion of the right brain" missing, even though numerous witnesses said a bare minimum of 1/4 of the brain was gone, and even though we know that pieces of JFK's brain were blown onto 16 surfaces.

MG---"At some point, you have to face Occam's Razor and stop denying hard science and solid evidence just because they destroy your version of the shooting."

The only Occam's Razor in any of this exists in the number of shots. Occam's razor supports there were only two shots. As did the WC and HSCA conclusions. Why aren’t you proposing two shots in 5.6 seconds? That is what Josiah wrote in Six Seconds in Dallas. He has been right about that since 1966 but refuses to accept he was correct. If you can actually prove there was a third shot in the 5.6 seconds, you can prove there was a conspiracy. Is not that your goal here? Proving a conspiracy?

Huh??? The WC said there were three shots. The HSCA said there were four shots, and presented scientific acoustical evidence that at least four shots were fired, and that one of them came from the grassy knoll.

If there had been a lone-gunman firing from the sixth-floor window, then, as I've said many times, he would have to go two for two in 5.6 seconds with his last two shots.

[Jack Nessan]

More LOL! IOW, all the evidence that the autopsy photos are inaccurate is wrong because the autopsy photos must be accurate! This is another version of your circular, evasive argument. You wave aside all the evidence that contradicts the autopsy photos--the OD measurements, the conflicting skull x-rays, the massive and mutually corroborating eyewitness accounts of a large back-of-head wound, the 16 surfaces onto which brain matter were blown--because you assume the autopsy photos are accurate.

IOW, the known and established science of optical density (OD) measurement of x-rays must be discarded in this case because multiple and independently done OD measurements of the JFK skull x-rays contradict the autopsy brain photos! Here, too, your argument boils down to the silly circular dodge that even hard scientific evidence against the autopsy brain photos cannot be valid because the autopsy brain photos are valid, even though the brain photos contradict the autopsy report, even though Dr. Humes himself admitted that 2/3 of the right cerebrum was blown away, even though Dr. Fred Hodges said the skull x-rays show "a goodly portion of the right brain" missing, even though numerous witnesses said a bare minimum of 1/4 of the brain was gone, and even though we know that pieces of JFK's brain were blown onto 16 surfaces.

Huh??? The WC said there were three shots. The HSCA said there were four shots, and presented scientific acoustical evidence that at least four shots were fired, and that one of them came from the grassy knoll.

If there had been a lone-gunman firing from the sixth-floor window, then, as I've said many times, he would have to go two for two in 5.6 seconds with his last two shots.

Unless the OD measurements are done correctly and the X Rays taken to facilitate it, appears to be junk science on its best day.

Looks like it is back to the autopsy photos. Apparently, the Autopsy X-rays were faked.

DR Mantik:  “I discovered... new evidence that the autopsy X-rays of President John F. Kennedy have been altered, that there were 2 shots which struck the head”

Where exactly does his credibility come from?

MG:  “as I've said many times, he would have to go two for two in 5.6 seconds with his last two shots.”

There was not an early missed shot according to the eyewitnesses. 55 and 88 yards in just two shots total. There was time to aim for both. Really. That is not doable? 

Instead, you are stating there were two assassins' both armed with 6,5 mm carcanos. All the bullets and fragments retrieved were matched to one rifle indicating the second assassin was a very poor shot. I wonder if they even paid him?

[Michael T. Griffith]

Unless the OD measurements are done correctly and the X Rays taken to facilitate it, appears to be junk science on its best day. Looks like it is back to the autopsy photos. Apparently, the Autopsy X-rays were faked. DR Mantik:  “I discovered... new evidence that the autopsy X-rays of President John F. Kennedy have been altered, that there were 2 shots which struck the head.” Where exactly does his credibility come from?

You don't know? So you haven't read any of Dr. David Mantik's research on the case?

FYI, Dr. Mantik is a board-certified radiation oncologist who also holds a doctorate in physics and taught physics at the University of Michigan. He has also had several papers involving radiology published in peer-reviewed scientific medical journals. As a radiation oncologist, he routinely used OD measurements of x-rays to form his diagnoses (he retired a few years ago). 

The medical expert who did the other set of OD measurements is Dr. Michael Chesser, who is a practicing board-certified neurologist with over 40 years of experience in the field. He is one of the few medical experts who's been given permission to view JFK's pre-mortem x-rays in Boston and the JFK autopsy x-rays at the National Archives. Dr. Chesser did his own OD measurements and confirmed Dr. Mantik's measurements.

All the bullets and fragments retrieved were matched to one rifle. . . .

No, they were not. This fraudulent evidence was debunked nearly 20 years ago.

[Jack Nessan]

You don't know? So you haven't read any of Dr. David Mantik's research on the case?

FYI, Dr. Mantik is a board-certified radiation oncologist who also holds a doctorate in physics and taught physics at the University of Michigan. He has also had several papers involving radiology published in peer-reviewed scientific medical journals. As a radiation oncologist, he routinely used OD measurements of x-rays to form his diagnoses (he retired a few years ago). 

The medical expert who did the other set of OD measurements is Dr. Michael Chesser, who is a practicing board-certified neurologist with over 40 years of experience in the field. He is one of the few medical experts who's been given permission to view JFK's pre-mortem x-rays in Boston and the JFK autopsy x-rays at the National Archives. Dr. Chesser did his own OD measurements and confirmed Dr. Mantik's measurements.

No, they were not. This fraudulent evidence was debunked nearly 20 years ago.

You don't know? So you haven't read any of Dr. David Mantik's research on the case?

Only that Dr Mantik stated the Autopsy X Rays were faked. What else should I read? Now you trot him out as an expert of how much of the brain is missing based on his measurements?
 
FYI, Dr. Mantik is a board-certified radiation oncologist who also holds a doctorate in physics and taught physics at the University of Michigan. He has also had several papers involving radiology published in peer-reviewed scientific medical journals. As a radiation oncologist, he routinely used OD measurements of x-rays to form his diagnoses (he retired a few years ago). 

So, you believe in addition to being able to walk on water, he is an expert but just not when he claims the autopsy X Rays were faked. All the other times he even opens his mouth he is beyond reproach?

DR Mantik:  “I discovered... new evidence that the autopsy X-rays of President John F. Kennedy have been altered, that there were 2 shots which struck the head

Has Dr Mantik passed the expert OD Measurement torch to Dr Chesser now? But according to you the most knowledgeable man in the world, Dr Mantik, decides to keep the knowledge a secret that the X Rays are faked? .
 
The medical expert who did the other set of OD measurements is Dr. Michael Chesser, who is a practicing board-certified neurologist with over 40 years of experience in the field. He is one of the few medical experts who's been given permission to view JFK's pre-mortem x-rays in Boston and the JFK autopsy x-rays at the National Archives. Dr. Chesser did his own OD measurements and confirmed Dr. Mantik's measurements.

You would think Dr Mantik would show a little professional courtesy to Dr Chesser and tell him about the autopsy X Rays and just not let him needlessly make a boob of himself.

No, they were not. This fraudulent evidence was debunked nearly 20 years ago.

By whom? Why did they decide to keep it a secret and not tell the FBI and for that matter the rest of world?

The question still stands:

Back to the basic thought, you are stating there were two assassins' both armed with 6,5 mm carcanos. All the bullets and fragments retrieved were matched to one rifle indicating the second assassin was a very poor shot. I wonder if they even paid him.

[Michael T. Griffith]

You don't know? So you haven't read any of Dr. David Mantik's research on the case?

Only that Dr Mantik stated the Autopsy X Rays were faked. What else should I read? Now you trot him out as an expert of how much of the brain is missing based on his measurements?
 
FYI, Dr. Mantik is a board-certified radiation oncologist who also holds a doctorate in physics and taught physics at the University of Michigan. He has also had several papers involving radiology published in peer-reviewed scientific medical journals. As a radiation oncologist, he routinely used OD measurements of x-rays to form his diagnoses (he retired a few years ago). 

So, you believe in addition to being able to walk on water, he is an expert but just not when he claims the autopsy X Rays were faked. All the other times he even opens his mouth he is beyond reproach?

DR Mantik:  “I discovered... new evidence that the autopsy X-rays of President John F. Kennedy have been altered, that there were 2 shots which struck the head

Has Dr Mantik passed the expert OD Measurement torch to Dr Chesser now? But according to you the most knowledgeable man in the world, Dr Mantik, decides to keep the knowledge a secret that the X Rays are faked? .
 
The medical expert who did the other set of OD measurements is Dr. Michael Chesser, who is a practicing board-certified neurologist with over 40 years of experience in the field. He is one of the few medical experts who's been given permission to view JFK's pre-mortem x-rays in Boston and the JFK autopsy x-rays at the National Archives. Dr. Chesser did his own OD measurements and confirmed Dr. Mantik's measurements.

You would think Dr Mantik would show a little professional courtesy to Dr Chesser and tell him about the autopsy X Rays and just not let him needlessly make a boob of himself.

No, they were not. This fraudulent evidence was debunked nearly 20 years ago.

By whom? Why did they decide to keep it a secret and not tell the FBI and for that matter the rest of world?

The question still stands:

Back to the basic thought, you are stating there were two assassins' both armed with 6,5 mm carcanos. All the bullets and fragments retrieved were matched to one rifle indicating the second assassin was a very poor shot. I wonder if they even paid him.

You don't know what in the world you're talking about. Why don't you dare yourself to read what Dr. Mantik and Dr. Chesser have written before you post more inaccurate and speculative attacks on them and their research?

As for the debunking of the claim that NAA proved that "all the bullets and fragments were linked to one rifle," the refutations of this myth were published in the peer-reviewed scientific journals Journal of Forensic Science and Annals of Applied Statistics in 2006 and 2007, and were widely reported on in the news media. It is telling that you know nothing of this research. You can read a summary of the research here:

https://www.kennedysandking.com/news-items/scientists-cast-doubt-on-kennedy-bullet-analysis
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/death-of-the-naa-verdict

[Jack Nessan]

You don't know what in the world you're talking about. Why don't you dare yourself to read what Dr. Mantik and Dr. Chesser have written before you post more inaccurate and speculative attacks on them and their research?

As for the debunking of the claim that NAA proved that "all the bullets and fragments were linked to one rifle," the refutations of this myth were published in the peer-reviewed scientific journals Journal of Forensic Science and Annals of Applied Statistics in 2006 and 2007, and were widely reported on in the news media. It is telling that you know nothing of this research. You can read a summary of the research here:

https://www.kennedysandking.com/news-items/scientists-cast-doubt-on-kennedy-bullet-analysis
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/death-of-the-naa-verdict

You don't know what in the world you're talking about. Why don't you dare yourself to read what Dr. Mantik and Dr. Chesser have written before you post more inaccurate and speculative attacks on them and their research?

How much more is there to know. Fake Autopsy X Rays. Why would I read on? At least the Autopsy Photos weren't faked.  Is Dr. Chesser looking at different ones?

Dr Mantik stated the Autopsy X Rays were faked. How much more needs to be read?  You said he is an expert in your opinion on OD measuring or something like that but not now?

As for the debunking of the claim that NAA proved that "all the bullets and fragments were linked to one rifle," the refutations of this myth were published in the peer-reviewed scientific journals Journal of Forensic Science and Annals of Applied Statistics in 2006 and 2007, and were widely reported on in the news media. It is telling that you know nothing of this research. You can read a summary of the research here:
 
https://www.kennedysandking.com/news-items/scientists-cast-doubt-on-kennedy-bullet-analysis
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/death-of-the-naa-verdict

In the end they could not tell us the difference between their backside and a hole in the ground.

This whole report and this was their conclusion.

CHEMICAL AND FORENSIC ANALYSIS OF JFK ASSASSINATION BULLET LOTS: IS A SECOND SHOOTER POSSIBLE? BY CLIFF SPIEGELMAN, WILLIAM A. TOBIN, WILLIAM D. JAMES, SIMON J. SHEATHER, STUART WEXLER AND D. MAX ROUNDHILL

“Dr. Guinn may have been correct or incorrect about the number of bullets originating from the JFK fragments; the state of knowledge even today, but definitely about 30 years ago, remains too uncertain.”

Do you quote anyone who is not a clown? First Knotts Lab and now the Forensic Wet Dream Team.