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LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
Jack Trojan:
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on December 17, 2023, 04:05:58 PM ---
The trajectory from the SN where the rifle and shells were found and the witnesses stated the shots came from is the only valid trajectory ever presented. The only mystery in this is why continually present made up theories that are not even remotely possible.
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Show me the geometry of the "only valid trajectory ever presented", if you can. My impossible "made up theories" are based on photogrammetric analyses of the Zapruder film and the geometry of the crime scene. Your opinions appear to come from your LNer gut. Good luck with that.
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Jack Trojan on December 17, 2023, 06:38:53 PM ---Show me the geometry of the "only valid trajectory ever presented", if you can. My impossible "made up theories" are based on photogrammetric analyses of the Zapruder film and the geometry of the crime scene. Your opinions appear to come from your LNer gut. Good luck with that.
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The geometry has been done to death.
No, you just prefer your opinion, you are presenting a preconceived personal notion of how you want it to be instead of adjusting your opinion to the existing facts. In the end you present a shot that only you think is even a possibility, totally void of any other corroboration of any kind.
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on December 17, 2023, 04:05:58 PM ---The trajectory from the SN where the rifle and shells were found and the witnesses stated the shots came from is the only valid trajectory ever presented. The only mystery in this is why continually present made up theories that are not even remotely possible.
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And people wonder how there can be a Flat Earth Society in our day. Are you aware that there are two very different SN-to-head trajectories, i.e., the WC's and the HSCA's? Which one do you accept?
The WC experts said the bullet struck JFK's head "slightly above" and 2.5 cm (1 inch) to the right of the external occipital protuberance (EOP). (Finck indicated to the HSCA that "slightly above" was 1 cm, or 4/10ths of an inch.) But the Clark Panel and the HSCA medical panel said that the bullet struck 10 cm higher (or 3.9 inches higher), and that the autopsy doctors had committed the mind-boggling blunder of mistaking a wound in the cowlick, clearly above the lambda, for a wound that was 10 cm lower, slightly above the EOP, even though they reflected the scalp and had good reference points for locating the wound (the EOP, the hairline, and the lambda).
Obviously, the entry wound site that you choose will have a huge impact on the trajectory that you try to trace back to the sixth-floor window (SN).
The WC experts said that the EOP entry wound trajected back to the SN. To make the trajectory work, they had to assume that JFK's head was tilted over 50 degrees forward (CE 388). However, the HSCA experts produced two conflicting trajectory analyses. The HSCA medical experts found it necessary to assume a forward head tilt of about 27 degrees, but the HSCA trajectory expert, NASA scientist Tom Canning, said that the head was tilted only about 11 degrees forward. Both of the HSCA analyses assumed that the entry wound was the cowlick site.
Which entry site do you accept? If you accept the cowlick site, you need to face the unsolvable problems with the site. But, if you accept the EOP site, you must believe that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent, since they categorically rule out the EOP site because they show a virtually undamaged cerebellum and no damage to the rear part of the right occipital lobe. On the other hand, the top-of-head autopsy photos show intact cerebral cortex in/beneath the cowlick site, a physical impossibility if a bullet entered there.
There is an explanation that resolves all of these and other issues, but it means abandoning the lone-gunman fiction. The explanation is that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent, that the cowlick site is not a bullet wound, that two bullets hit the skull, that one of those two bullets hit the right temple (just as was initially reported by White House press secretary Malcolm Kilduff), and that the back-of-head fragments are ricochet fragments (just as the Clark Panel privately believed). Once you graduate to this realization, (1) the two very different wound paths in the brain--the cortical and subcortical damage--pose no problem; (2) the high fragment trail poses no problem; (3) the undamaged cerebral cortex in/under the cowlick site poses no problem; and (4) the back-of-head fragments pose no problem.
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on December 18, 2023, 01:16:51 PM ---And people wonder how there can be a Flat Earth Society in our day. Are you aware that there are two very different SN-to-head trajectories, i.e., the WC's and the HSCA's? Which one do you accept?
The WC experts said the bullet struck JFK's head "slightly above" and 2.5 cm (1 inch) to the right of the external occipital protuberance (EOP). (Finck indicated to the HSCA that "slightly above" was 1 cm, or 4/10ths of an inch.) But the Clark Panel and the HSCA medical panel said that the bullet struck 10 cm higher (or 3.9 inches higher), and that the autopsy doctors had committed the mind-boggling blunder of mistaking a wound in the cowlick, clearly above the lambda, for a wound that was 10 cm lower, slightly above the EOP, even though they reflected the scalp and had good reference points for locating the wound (the EOP, the hairline, and the lambda).
Obviously, the entry wound site that you choose will have a huge impact on the trajectory that you try to trace back to the sixth-floor window (SN).
The WC experts said that the EOP entry wound trajected back to the SN. To make the trajectory work, they had to assume that JFK's head was tilted over 50 degrees forward (CE 388). However, the HSCA experts produced two conflicting trajectory analyses. The HSCA medical experts found it necessary to assume a forward head tilt of about 27 degrees, but the HSCA trajectory expert, NASA scientist Tom Canning, said that the head was tilted only about 11 degrees forward. Both of the HSCA analyses assumed that the entry wound was the cowlick site.
Which entry site do you accept? If you accept the cowlick site, you need to face the unsolvable problems with the site. But, if you accept the EOP site, you must believe that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent, since they categorically rule out the EOP site because they show a virtually undamaged cerebellum and no damage to the rear part of the right occipital lobe. On the other hand, the top-of-head autopsy photos show intact cerebral cortex in/beneath the cowlick site, a physical impossibility if a bullet entered there.
There is an explanation that resolves all of these and other issues, but it means abandoning the lone-gunman fiction. The explanation is that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent, that the cowlick site is not a bullet wound, that two bullets hit the skull, that one of those two bullets hit the right temple (just as was initially reported by White House press secretary Malcolm Kilduff), and that the back-of-head fragments are ricochet fragments (just as the Clark Panel privately believed). Once you graduate to this realization, (1) the two very different wound paths in the brain--the cortical and subcortical damage--pose no problem; (2) the high fragment trail poses no problem; (3) the undamaged cerebral cortex in/under the cowlick site poses no problem; and (4) the back-of-head fragments pose no problem.
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Flat Earth Society? I did not know they had a society. I like that maybe I will have to join. It pales in comparison to people who believe the Earth is 7000 years old with the Romans interacting with the dinosaurs.
Your only point in this long-winded post is the position of JFK’s head and where did the bullet strike the back of the head? That is it? The essential facts still are there was a shot having been fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD striking JFK in the head. You are having a problem with their interpretations? You think these experts should all have agreed exactly on how they determined JFK’s position and LHO’s position and the effect of the bullet? Really?
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on December 18, 2023, 03:30:06 PM ---Flat Earth Society? I did not know they had a society. I like that maybe I will have to join. It pales in comparison to people who believe the Earth is 7000 years old with the Romans interacting with the dinosaurs.
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Humm, so you think that believing in a 7K-year-old Earth is far worse than believing in a flat Earth? Personally, I reject the young Earth view and believe the Earth is far older than 7K years, but one must admit that carbon dating can be wildly inaccurate. On the other hand, the Flat Earth Society claims that all the thousands of photos and videos of the Earth have been faked or doctored.
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on December 18, 2023, 03:30:06 PM ---Your only point in this long-winded post is the position of JFK’s head and where did the bullet strike the back of the head? That is it?
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"That is it"?? A difference of 10 cm in the entry wound's location and a difference of 20-plus degrees in the head's forward tilt are enormous factors and issues. They are not trivial details but major, crucial factors.
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on December 18, 2023, 03:30:06 PM ---The essential facts still are there was a shot having been fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD striking JFK in the head. You are having a problem with their interpretations? You think these experts should all have agreed exactly on how they determined JFK’s position and LHO’s position and the effect of the bullet? Really?
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No, "the essential facts" are most certainly not "still there." Do you not grasp the fact that a 10-cm difference in the entry site's location and a 20-plus-degree difference in the head's forward tilt are gigantic and mutually incompatible differences?
I notice you ducked the issue of which entry site you're using. Why is that?
Again, if you use the cowlick site, you must face the unsolvable problems with that site, starting with the fact that accepting that site means you must reject the authenticity of the top-of-head autopsy photos because they show intact cerebral cortex at that same location, which is obviously impossible if a bullet entered there.
But, if you accept the EOP site, you must admit that the autopsy brain photos are bogus because they show a virtually pristine cerebellum and right-rear occipital lobe, which is obviously absurd if a bullet entered at that location.
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