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LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
Michael T. Griffith:
Speculating about trajectories and about downward-moving bullets magically veering upward and rightward is a waste of time until you address the fatal problems with the long-since-debunked cowlick entry site. Let's review some of those problems:
-- Dr. Finck advised the ARRB that he had photos taken of the rear head entry wound, from inside and outside the skull, but those photos never made it into the official record. Dr. Finck himself noted to the ARRB that those photos were not in the collection of autopsy photos that he examined.
-- The idea that two pathologists in anatomy (Humes and Boswell), a board-certified forensic pathologist (Finck), not to mention the chief autopsy photographer (Stringer) and the radiologist (Ebersole), "mistook" a wound in the cowlick for a wound that was nearly 4 inches lower is preposterous, especially given the fact that that they had the hairline, the EOP, and the lamda as reference points, and given the fact that they reflected the scalp and examined the wound in the skull.
-- Every single autopsy witness, every single one, who commented on the location of the rear head entry wound said it was exactly where the autopsy doctors placed it.
-- Dr. Boswell told both the HSCA and the ARRB that part of the rear head entry wound was contained in a late-arriving skull fragment, and he specified that the wound was in the location described in the autopsy report.
-- One of the HSCA's radiologic consultants, Dr. David O. Davis, noted that the high fragment trail does not align with the cowlick entry site. Dr. Joseph Riley, Dr. Gary Aguilar, Dr. David Mantik, and many others have made the same point. In fact, as they have also pointed out, the high fragment trail does not even extend to or from the cowlick site.
-- The back-of-head fragments are below the cowlick entry site, which, among other things, means they could not have "sheared off" an FMJ bullet that was entering at a downward angle--any shearing would have occurred at the top of the bullet, not the bottom.
-- No FMJ missile in the history of forensic science has ever deposited a fragment on the outer table of the skull as it entered the skull, especially not from its cross section. Not one of the bullets fired into skulls in the WC's wound ballistics tests behaved in this manner. To make matters worse, in the JFK case, per the lone-gunman theory, the back-of-head fragments would have had to come from the bullet's cross section, since the nose and tail of the bullet were found in the limousine. As Dr. Sturdivan noted, this is simply an impossible fantasy.
-- Yes, the autopsy doctors did reflect the scalp over the rear head entry wound. When the HSCA FPP was trying to get Humes to say that the red spot on the back-of-head autopsy photo was the entry wound, Humes rejected this claim and explained that they reflected the scalp and did not see a wound in that location:
--- Quote ---I can assure you that as we reflected the scalp to get to this point, there was no defect corresponding to this [red spot] in the skull at any point. I don't know what that [red spot] is. It could be to me clotted blood. I don't, I just don't know what it is, but it certainly was not a wound of entrance. (7 HSCA 254)
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-- Humes, Finck, Boswell, the guys who actually handled the skull and saw the entry wound up close, insisted that the red spot on the back-of-head autopsy photo was not the entry wound. Two of the three ARRB forensic experts agreed that the red spot is not a bullet entry wound.
-- The top-of-head autopsy photos show intact cerebral cortex in the supposed cowlick entry wound. This has been confirmed by Dr. Robert Artwohl and by Dr. David Mantik, both of whom have studied the autopsy materials at the National Archives. As neuroanatomist Dr. Joseph Riley notes, "What is unappreciated is that this cortex (superior parietal lobule) corresponds to the HSCA's entrance site" (https://kenrahn.com/Marsh/Autopsy/riley.html). How could the cerebral cortex be intact just beneath the cowlick site if a bullet penetrated there?
-- We should keep in mind that the autopsy doctors identified the rear head entry wound both by its presence in the scalp and by its beveled presence in the skull directly beneath the scalp wound.
-- Only the EOP entry site can explain the subcortical damage, as Dr. Riley and other experts have explained. The subcortical damage is separate from the cortical damage and is well below the cowlick site.
-- The 11/22/63 autopsy face sheet marked by Dr. Boswell puts the entry wound very near the EOP and just slightly above ear level, whereas the cowlick entry site is at least 3 inches above ear level.
-- Dr. Sturdivan has noted another problem with the cowlick entry site: The autopsy skull x-rays show extensive cracks/fractures extending down from the cowlick site, but wound ballistics tests show no such extensive cracking extending from entry holes. Sturdivan notes that not one of the Biophysics Lab test skulls showed extensive cracking from the entry wounds, even though those skulls were dried, post-mortem skulls and were more brittle than live skulls (JFK Myths, pp. 193-194).
Again, are we starting to realize why even the uber-cautious Pat Speer has rejected the cowlick entry site?
And, if you are using the EOP entry site, then you need to address (1) the drastic contradictions between the EOP site and the autopsy brain photos, and (2) the EOP site's inability to explain the high fragment trail and the two back-of-head fragments.
Once you free your mind and acknowledge the clear evidence that two bullets entered JFK's skull, you understand that the EOP site explains the subcortical damage and that a separate bullet, a bullet that struck in the right temple, caused the the high fragment trail.
There's an apparent defect in the right-temple area seen in the skull x-rays that is consistent with a bullet entry point, and several witnesses (including mortician Tom Robinson) recalled seeing a small wound in the temple. Moreover, shortly after JFK died, Dr. Burkley told press secretary Malcolm Kilduff that a bullet struck the right temple, and Kilduff demonstrated this on national TV by pointing to his own right temple. I devote an entire chapter in my book to the evidence of a frontal shot.
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on December 14, 2023, 05:38:36 PM ---Is this supposed to be a response to the facts I've presented to you?
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No. That was my previous post.
--- Quote ---I notice you are still avoiding the HSCA FPP's wound trajectory diagram. Have you even looked at it yet? This was the FPP's attempt to explain how a bullet fired from the sixth-floor window could have hit and then exited JFK's head in the way they were claiming it did, and they were assuming the entry point was the cowlick entry site.
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I explained that the wounds to JFK's head do not require a 60 degree forward lean. Only about a 38 degree forward lean.
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Allow me to repeat, again, that when I noted that CE 388 shows JFK's head leaning nearly 60 degrees forward, you said this was similar to ("kind of like") the position of his head in the Muchmore frame. Anyone who is not emotionally committed to defending the lone-gunman theory can look at CE 388 and see immediately that JFK's forward tilt is far greater than it is in the Muchmore frame or in any pre-Z313 frame. This is too obvious to credibly deny. A child could see this.
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CE388 shows JFK's head tilted forward at 52 degrees from the Earth horizontal. It shows the bullet trajectory at what I measure to be 16.9 degrees from Earth horizontal or 52-16.9=35.1 degrees to the head horizontal.
I had the angle through the head at around 26.5 degrees because I had the entrance a bit higher in the back and the exit a bit farther to the front.
If one tilts JFK back about 14 degrees from the position shown in CE388 and adds the 3 degrees of the car downward slope, it fits the path to the SN of about 11.25 degrees to the car horizontal :
There is, of course, a bit of uncertainty of a few degrees due to uncertainty to the precise location of the wounds and measuring the angles of JFK's forward and leftward lean in the car. The bottom line, however, is that a shot from the SN is easily within the margins of error of these measurements and generally fits the left to right and upward path through the head using the upright-forward facing head as the frame of reference.
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on December 15, 2023, 05:47:57 PM ---No. That was my previous post. I explained that the wounds to JFK's head do not require a 60 degree forward lean. Only about a 38 degree forward lean.CE388 shows JFK's head tilted forward at 52 degrees from the Earth horizontal. It shows the bullet trajectory at what I measure to be 16.9 degrees from Earth horizontal or 52-16.9=35.1 degrees to the head horizontal.
If one tilts JFK back about 14 degrees from the position shown in CE388 and adds the 3 degrees of the car downward slope, it fits the path to the SN of about 11.25 degrees to the car horizontal :
There is, of course, a bit of uncertainty of a few degrees due to uncertainty to the precise location of the wounds and measuring the angles of JFK's forward and leftward lean in the car. The bottom line, however, is that a shot from the SN is easily within the margins of error of these measurements and generally fits the left to right and upward path through the head using the upright-forward facing head as the frame of reference.
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You say CE 388 shows a 52-degree forward head tilt. A bunch of other people have said it's closer to 57-59 degrees. But, hey, let's just say 52 degrees for the sake of argument. The point is that no footage or photo shows his tilted as far forward and downward as CE 388 shows it.
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on December 15, 2023, 05:47:57 PM ---I had the angle through the head at around 26.5 degrees because I had the entrance a bit higher in the back and the exit a bit farther to the front.
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And, again, your claims about angles are a waste of time until you deal with the problems with the two proposed rear head entry wounds. You had "the entrance a bit higher." A "bit higher"?? Is there no end to how often you guys have to fiddle with wound locations and ignore your own experts?
Let's revisit the issues with the cowlick site and the EOP site:
-- Dr. Finck advised the ARRB that he had photos taken of the rear head entry wound, from inside and outside the skull, but those photos never made it into the official record. Dr. Finck himself noted to the ARRB that those photos were not in the collection of autopsy photos that he examined.
-- The idea that two pathologists in anatomy (Humes and Boswell), a board-certified forensic pathologist (Finck), not to mention the chief autopsy photographer (Stringer) and the radiologist (Ebersole), "mistook" a wound in the cowlick for a wound that was nearly 4 inches lower is preposterous, especially given the fact that that they had the hairline, the EOP, and the lamda as reference points, and given the fact that they reflected the scalp and examined the wound in the skull.
-- Every single autopsy witness, every single one, who commented on the location of the rear head entry wound said it was exactly where the autopsy doctors placed it.
-- Dr. Boswell told both the HSCA and the ARRB that part of the rear head entry wound was contained in a late-arriving skull fragment, and he specified that the wound was in the location described in the autopsy report.
-- One of the HSCA's radiologic consultants, Dr. David O. Davis, noted that the high fragment trail does not align with the cowlick entry site. Dr. Joseph Riley, Dr. Gary Aguilar, Dr. David Mantik, and many others have made the same point. In fact, as they have also pointed out, the high fragment trail does not even extend to or from the cowlick site.
-- The back-of-head fragments are below the cowlick entry site, which, among other things, means they could not have "sheared off" an FMJ bullet that was entering at a downward angle--any shearing would have occurred at the top of the bullet, not the bottom.
-- No FMJ missile in the history of forensic science has ever deposited a fragment on the outer table of the skull as it entered the skull, especially not from its cross section. Not one of the bullets fired into skulls in the WC's wound ballistics tests behaved in this manner. To make matters worse, in the JFK case, per the lone-gunman theory, the back-of-head fragments would have had to come from the bullet's cross section, since the nose and tail of the bullet were found in the limousine. As Dr. Sturdivan noted, this is simply an impossible fantasy.
-- Yes, the autopsy doctors did reflect the scalp over the rear head entry wound. When the HSCA FPP was trying to get Humes to say that the red spot on the back-of-head autopsy photo was the entry wound, Humes rejected this claim and explained that they reflected the scalp and did not see a wound in that location:
--- Quote ---I can assure you that as we reflected the scalp to get to this point, there was no defect corresponding to this [red spot] in the skull at any point. I don't know what that [red spot] is. It could be to me clotted blood. I don't, I just don't know what it is, but it certainly was not a wound of entrance. (7 HSCA 254)
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-- Humes, Finck, Boswell, the guys who actually handled the skull and saw the entry wound up close, insisted that the red spot on the back-of-head autopsy photo was not the entry wound. Two of the three ARRB forensic experts agreed that the red spot is not a bullet entry wound.
-- The top-of-head autopsy photos show intact cerebral cortex in the supposed cowlick entry wound. This has been confirmed by Dr. Robert Artwohl and by Dr. David Mantik, both of whom have studied the autopsy materials at the National Archives. As neuroanatomist Dr. Joseph Riley notes, "What is unappreciated is that this cortex (superior parietal lobule) corresponds to the HSCA's entrance site" (https://kenrahn.com/Marsh/Autopsy/riley.html). How could the cerebral cortex be intact just beneath the cowlick site if a bullet penetrated there?
-- We should keep in mind that the autopsy doctors identified the rear head entry wound both by its presence in the scalp and by its beveled presence in the skull directly beneath the scalp wound.
-- Only the EOP entry site can explain the subcortical damage, as Dr. Riley and other experts have explained. The subcortical damage is separate from the cortical damage and is well below the cowlick site.
-- The 11/22/63 autopsy face sheet marked by Dr. Boswell puts the entry wound very near the EOP and just slightly above ear level, whereas the cowlick entry site is at least 3 inches above ear level.
-- Dr. Sturdivan has noted another problem with the cowlick entry site: The autopsy skull x-rays show extensive cracks/fractures extending down from the cowlick site, but wound ballistics tests show no such extensive cracking extending from entry holes. Sturdivan notes that not one of the Biophysics Lab test skulls showed extensive cracking from the entry wounds, even though those skulls were dried, post-mortem skulls and were more brittle than live skulls (JFK Myths, pp. 193-194).
Again, are we starting to realize why even the uber-cautious Pat Speer has rejected the cowlick entry site?
However, if you are using the EOP entry site, then you need to address (1) the drastic contradictions between the EOP site and the autopsy brain photos, and (2) the EOP site's inability to explain the high fragment trail and the two back-of-head fragments. If you're willing to admit that the autopsy brain photos are clearly fraudulent and impossible, then the only remaining issues are the high fragment trail and the back-of-head fragments, and those problems go away if you acknowledge that two bullets hit the head.
Jack Trojan:
There isn't a valid trajectory from the SN that enters the back of JFK's head and exits the right side of his forehead at the hairline as shown in the following autopsy photo (cut away by Humes via some post mortem surgery):
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/postsurgery.jpg
And what happened to the gaping hole at the right occipital region of the back of JFK's head? Too many prominent medical personnel saw it and noted it. This was clearly an exit wound and the entrance wound at JFK's hairline was cut out to move the alleged exit wound to the center of the head as depicted by CE 388, which was pure horsesh*t.
So if this was actually a frontal shot given JFK's head tilt then the shot must have come from the overpass.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot.jpg
For those who contend that JFK's head moved forward from this shot, according to James Files, there were 2 near simultaneous shots that struck JFK at the "turkey shoot point" and perhaps more that missed. A designated turkey shoot point disguises many simultaneous shots to sound like a single shot. James used a hand held Fireball that shot a frangible bullet from the knoll, which entered the right side of JFK's head causing a right temple blowout after the bullet exploded. Files' frangible bullet dictated how the head moved according to the force of an uneven explosion.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_temple_blowout.jpg
There were likely some token shots taken from the TSBD or the DalTex buildings, possibly using the Mauser, which struck Connelly but not JFK. The kill shots would come from the front. The Magic Bullet also came from the front because there isn't a trajectory from the SN, 17 degrees from hz, entering JFK's back at T1 and out his throat at C7. You can prove it to yourself with 2 lasers.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_2lasers.png
Line up the laser at C7 in the front and note where the rear laser strikes your back, which is not at T1, since you would need to have your head almost between your legs to make that trajectory viable.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/MB2lasers2.png
The fact that the small throat wound was disguised to not look like an entrance wound means that's exactly what it was, a shot from the front. It took a downward trajectory from C7 to T1 and definitely struck the T1 vertebrae.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/x-ray_mb.gif
When the Magic Bullet struck the T1 vertebrae it broke up into several pieces and exited the back in fragments. The biggest fragment was pointed out to be a single entrance wound, which the WC tried to move up past T1 into the neck vertebrae because they knew the MB's trajectory from T1 to C7 was not feasible from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Here is the MB's trajectory from the front, which fits all the angles.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_AMBT.png
Mystery solved. :)
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Jack Trojan on December 17, 2023, 03:50:44 AM ---There isn't a valid trajectory from the SN that enters the back of JFK's head and exits the right side of his forehead at the hairline as shown in the following autopsy photo (cut away by Humes via some post mortem surgery):
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/postsurgery.jpg
And what happened to the gaping hole at the right occipital region of the back of JFK's head? Too many prominent medical personnel saw it and noted it. This was clearly an exit wound and the entrance wound at JFK's hairline was cut out to move the alleged exit wound to the center of the head as depicted by CE 388, which was pure horsesh*t.
So if this was actually a frontal shot given JFK's head tilt then the shot must have come from the overpass.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot.jpg
For those who contend that JFK's head moved forward from this shot, according to James Files, there were 2 near simultaneous shots that struck JFK at the "turkey shoot point" and perhaps more that missed. A designated turkey shoot point disguises many simultaneous shots to sound like a single shot. James used a hand held Fireball that shot a frangible bullet from the knoll, which entered the right side of JFK's head causing a right temple blowout after the bullet exploded. Files' frangible bullet dictated how the head moved according to the force of an uneven explosion.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_temple_blowout.jpg
There were likely some token shots taken from the TSBD or the DalTex buildings, possibly using the Mauser, which struck Connelly but not JFK. The kill shots would come from the front. The Magic Bullet also came from the front because there isn't a trajectory from the SN, 17 degrees from hz, entering JFK's back at T1 and out his throat at C7. You can prove it to yourself with 2 lasers.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_2lasers.png
Line up the laser at C7 in the front and note where the rear laser strikes your back, which is not at T1, since you would need to have your head almost between your legs to make that trajectory viable.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/MB2lasers2.png
The fact that the small throat wound was disguised to not look like an entrance wound means that's exactly what it was, a shot from the front. It took a downward trajectory from C7 to T1 and definitely struck the T1 vertebrae.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/x-ray_mb.gif
When the Magic Bullet struck the T1 vertebrae it broke up into several pieces and exited the back in fragments. The biggest fragment was pointed out to be a single entrance wound, which the WC tried to move up past T1 into the neck vertebrae because they knew the MB's trajectory from T1 to C7 was not feasible from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Here is the MB's trajectory from the front, which fits all the angles.
http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_AMBT.png
Mystery solved. :)
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There isn't a valid trajectory from the SN that enters the back of JFK's head and exits the right side of his forehead at the hairline as shown in the following autopsy photo (cut away by Humes via some post mortem surgery):
The trajectory from the SN where the rifle and shells were found and the witnesses stated the shots came from is the only valid trajectory ever presented. The only mystery in this is why continually present made up theories that are not even remotely possible.
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