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LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on December 12, 2023, 11:14:59 PM ---OMG, is there a major JFKA conspiracy theory that you don't believe?
Just how BIG is your conspiracy and have you ever considered how many people were involved in this mass deception?
Why after 60 years has not one of these thousands blabbed, because to spill the beans is human nature after all?
And most importantly your side after all this time are still no closer to a solution than Day one, how much time and how many man years of fruitless research and investigations could have been better spent helping the community and feeding the poor?
JohnM
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This comical strawman argument again? Again? Are you caught in a time warp or something? You talk like we're in the 1960s still. FYI, some people have "blabbed," but your fellow flat-earthers find any and every excuse to reject their accounts.
Is there a "major" WC claim that you don't believe? The last time I saw you comment on the HSCA, you were still ignoring most of the HSCA's findings and research and quoting a handful of statements from a non-conspiracy draft of the HSCA's final report, even though Blakey has explained many times that that was a contingency draft in case the acoustical analysis found only three shots.
I think it's helpful to keep in mind that you are in a rather small minority of adults in the Western world who still believe that JFK was killed by a lone gunman who had no accomplices of any kind. You might wanna keep that in mind.
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on December 13, 2023, 12:36:01 AM ---I think it's helpful to keep in mind that you are in a rather small minority of adults in the Western world who still believe that JFK was killed by a lone gunman who had no accomplices of any kind. You might wanna keep that in mind.
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Aye me Hearties ye olde chestnut, unlike some i.e. you, I'm not a sheeple being mindlessly herded along with the flock but have intellectually chosen to utilize deductive reasoning skills to draw the only inescapable conclusion.
Having lived in the real World for more than half a Century, one starts to understand People, who they are, what they are and what they are capable of. The enormous conspiracy that you suggested in your second to last post, which btw is just the tip of the iceberg compared to the mountain of conspiracy you've outlined in your book is no small undertaking and involves many compliant conspirators across a vast number of fields, who need to lie from innocent civilians, to cops walking the beat, to FBI, CIA through to the Goddam newly sworn in President of the United States, manipulate, insert manipulated evidence into microfilms, gaining access to federal departments, inserting manipulated evidence into crime scenes, create masses of altered evidence from corroborating films, then faking these films by some unknown processes, faking photographs, forging documents, modifying X-rays, and all this faked evidence is so perfect that real experts 60 years later still can't detect any signs of manipulation.
And on the other hand a lone nut took a mail order rifle to work and shot the President.
JohnM
Chris Davidson:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on December 12, 2023, 09:51:09 PM ---(65.3 feet above JFK and 265.3 feet direct distance as surveyed and shown in CE884).
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Would you care to re-check this data for accuracy?
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on December 13, 2023, 02:52:09 AM ---Aye me Hearties ye olde chestnut, unlike some i.e. you, I'm not a sheeple being mindlessly herded along with the flock but have intellectually chosen to utilize deductive reasoning skills to draw the only inescapable conclusion.
Having lived in the real World for more than half a Century, one starts to understand People, who they are, what they are and what they are capable of. The enormous conspiracy that you suggested in your second to last post, which btw is just the tip of the iceberg compared to the mountain of conspiracy you've outlined in your book is no small undertaking and involves many compliant conspirators across a vast number of fields, who need to lie from innocent civilians, to cops walking the beat, to FBI, CIA through to the Goddam newly sworn in President of the United States, manipulate, insert manipulated evidence into microfilms, gaining access to federal departments, inserting manipulated evidence into crime scenes, create masses of altered evidence from corroborating films, then faking these films by some unknown processes, faking photographs, forging documents, modifying X-rays, and all this faked evidence is so perfect that real experts 60 years later still can't detect any signs of manipulation.
And on the other hand a lone nut took a mail order rifle to work and shot the President. JohnM
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Humm, well, during all this time you've spent in the "real World" [sic], you apparently have not taken the time to get yourself a decent education so you can avoid making high-school-level writing and grammatical errors.
I won't waste time dissecting your strawman misrepresentation of the case for conspiracy in JFK's death, but I will list a few of the people who have concluded and stated that JFK was killed by a conspiracy/killed by more than one gunman:
-- Robert F. Kennedy, brother of JFK and JFK's Attorney General. (Although RFK publicly endorsed the WC, we now know that privately he told many friends and family members that he believed his brother had been killed by a right-wing conspiracy, and that he planned on reopening the case if he won the White House. Historian David Talbot discusses RFK's numerous private statements on the assassination in his book Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years. We also now know that soon after the assassination, RFK and Jackie sent a private message to the Kremlin that they did not believe the Soviets were involved in JFK's death and that JFK was killed by "domestic opponents," a "right-wing conspiracy.")
-- Morris Wolff, a former White House aide to JFK and Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy who later served as a legislative assistant to WC member Senator Sherman Cooper. (Wolff revealed in 2022 that Cooper did not believe the SBT, did not believe that Oswald acted alone, and did not believe that Ruby had no serious Mafia connections.)
-- Dr. David Wrone, a professor emeritus of history at the University of Wisconsin.
-- Dr. Joseph Dolce, an Army wound ballistics expert who played a leading role in the WC's wound ballistics tests. (Dr. Dolce was considered to be one of the Army's top wound ballistics experts at the time.)
-- The late Senator Richard Schweiker, who served on the Church Committee.
-- Former Senator Christopher Dodd, who served on the HSCA when he was a member of the House of Representatives.
-- Dr. Gary Aguilar, a clinical professor of ophthalmology at the University of California.
-- Dr. Roger McCarthy, a ballistics expert with Failure Analysis, which assisted with the American Bar Association's mock Oswald trials in the 1990s.
-- Dr. Arthur Snyder, formerly a physicist at the University of Indiana and then at Stanford University's Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (SLAC).
-- Journalist Robert MacNeil, formerly of the McNeil-Lehrer News Hour on PBS.
-- The late Ambassador William Atwood, former Special Assistant to the U.S. delegation to the United Nations.
-- President Lyndon Johnson. (We now know from the Johnson White House tapes that Johnson rejected the single-bullet theory. We also know from former Johnson aides and associates that Johnson believed Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy.)
-- The late Dr. Milton Helpern, a renowned forensic pathologist and formerly the medical examiner for New York City.
-- The late Dr. John Nichols, a forensic pathologist and formerly a professor of pathology at the University of Kansas.
-- The late Carlos Hathcock, a Marine sniper who was widely regarded as the greatest sniper of the 20th century.
-- The late Evelyn Lincoln, who was Kennedy's White House secretary.
-- The late Dr. George Burkley, Kennedy's personal physician.
-- Robert K. Tanenbaum, a former HSCA deputy chief counsel and a former assistant district attorney in NYC who became chief of the Homicide Bureau and then the chief of the NYC Criminal Courts.
-- G. Robert Blakey, a former HSCA chief counsel and a professor of law at Notre Dame University.
-- Gary Cornwell, a former HSCA deputy chief counsel and a former DOJ prosecutor who served as the chief of the Organized Crime Strike Force in Kansas City, where he successfully tried and convicted the chiefs of the Mafia families in both Kansas City and Denver.
-- The late Gaeton Fonzi, a respected investigative journalist whose work was published in major newspapers, including the New York Times, and who served as an investigator for the Church Committee and the HSCA.
-- Ed Lopez, a former HSCA investigator who investigated Oswald's activities in Mexico City and who co-authored the Lopez-Hardway Report (aka the Lopez Report).
-- Dan Hardway, a former HSCA investigator who worked with Ed Lopez to investigate Oswald's time in Mexico City and who co-authored the Lopez-Hardway Report.
-- Dr. David Mantik, who holds a doctorate in physics and an M.D. in radiation oncology. He is a board-certified radiation oncologist. He completed fellowships in physics at the University of Illinois and in biophysics at Stanford University. He was a professor of physics at the University of Wisconsin and at the University of Michigan. He has authored scientific papers that have been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
The list could continue for many pages.
Steve M. Galbraith:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on December 13, 2023, 02:52:09 AM ---Aye me Hearties ye olde chestnut, unlike some i.e. you, I'm not a sheeple being mindlessly herded along with the flock but have intellectually chosen to utilize deductive reasoning skills to draw the only inescapable conclusion.
Having lived in the real World for more than half a Century, one starts to understand People, who they are, what they are and what they are capable of. The enormous conspiracy that you suggested in your second to last post, which btw is just the tip of the iceberg compared to the mountain of conspiracy you've outlined in your book is no small undertaking and involves many compliant conspirators across a vast number of fields, who need to lie from innocent civilians, to cops walking the beat, to FBI, CIA through to the Goddam newly sworn in President of the United States, manipulate, insert manipulated evidence into microfilms, gaining access to federal departments, inserting manipulated evidence into crime scenes, create masses of altered evidence from corroborating films, then faking these films by some unknown processes, faking photographs, forging documents, modifying X-rays, and all this faked evidence is so perfect that real experts 60 years later still can't detect any signs of manipulation.
And on the other hand a lone nut took a mail order rifle to work and shot the President.
JohnM
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Democrats and Republicans in Washington loathe one another, couldn't agree to go to lunch. But he and his fellow conspiracists have multiple generations of them - and multiple generations of Americans from various backgrounds - for decades planning this out, executing it, then covering it all up. And then covering up the coverups. And all remaining silent.
There is no such thing as "the government" or "the CIA" or "the FBI". They all consist of people of various backgrounds and views. With departments and divisions and personalities and interests. The idea that all of this, this vast array of interests and people and departments, could be controlled, directed, ordered and that all of it would carry those orders out (no one object? no one liked JFK?) is a fantasy. It cannot be done. A Hitler, a Stalin couldn't do it in a closed society. How about the American system with its openness, its bureaucracy, its independent agencies, its check and balances? You think this could be planned and carried out and then covered up. In secret? Again it cannot be done.
Not only could it not be done there is no evidence for it. So they are left with staring at photos and images and finding evidence for this fantasy (the Soviets said it was Oswald who visited them in Mexico City: What's the conspiracy response? They all lied and are also part of the conspiracy!! Yes, a CIA/FBI/KGB conspiracy). Good for us; it keeps them off the street.
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