Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story

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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2022, 04:41:11 PM »
No, he is not using the Wilcott stuff.

I am not clear on the distinction between Joannides' operational files and his personal files or if there is one. He wants everything that is left regardless which is 44 pages which includes the mostly redacted doc that he is trumpeting. To my knowledge, ARRB (Tunheim, Combs) saw everything there was. I am still working to confirm that. One important thing-Tunheim said at the PC there were "no bombshells" in the unreleased files. So, he really doesn't believe Morley has a "smoking gun" and just is acting to have the docs released.

After everything we've seen the last few years with the news media's handling of the Trump-Russia investigations and the Durham investigations, the definition of "Bombshell" or "Smoking Gun" seems to be very subject to the political biases of the person who is reporting on the information.

But if all the files show is that Oswald had a relationship with US intelligence or played some role in a secret intelligence operation, that wouldn't be a 'Smoking Gun' in the sense of proving that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy. It would only prove that some government agencies lied to the Warren Commission and HSCA about their knowledge of and involvement with Oswald prior to 11/22/63. We have pretty much confirmed that there were coverups and obstructions to the investigations. We just don't yet know the reasons why they lied or obstructed.

If you oppose the declassification of these files, can you elaborate on why?
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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2022, 07:22:46 PM »
Question: I am utterly confused as to which files Morley is referring to. Are these the redacted and/or withheld files that the ARRB reviewed and told by the FBI and CIA not to release? And ones that Biden is deciding on releasing? Or are they other files? Or both?

On Joannides in particular: Does Morley want the unredacted files above that the ARRB reviewed? Or is there another set of operational files on Joannides that are separate from the above ones?

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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2022, 11:44:22 PM »
After everything we've seen the last few years with the news media's handling of the Trump-Russia investigations and the Durham investigations, the definition of "Bombshell" or "Smoking Gun" seems to be very subject to the political biases of the person who is reporting on the information.

But if all the files show is that Oswald had a relationship with US intelligence or played some role in a secret intelligence operation, that wouldn't be a 'Smoking Gun' in the sense of proving that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy. It would only prove that some government agencies lied to the Warren Commission and HSCA about their knowledge of and involvement with Oswald prior to 11/22/63. We have pretty much confirmed that there were coverups and obstructions to the investigations. We just don't yet know the reasons why they lied or obstructed.

If you oppose the declassification of these files, can you elaborate on why?

I don't oppose the declassification as long as it won't harm national security. I assume it wouldn't. What I oppose is Morley saying there is a "smoking gun" in documents he hasn't seen.

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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2022, 11:50:31 PM »
Question: I am utterly confused as to which files Morley is referring to. Are these the redacted and/or withheld files that the ARRB reviewed and told by the FBI and CIA not to release? And ones that Biden is deciding on releasing? Or are they other files? Or both?

On Joannides in particular: Does Morley want the unredacted files above that the ARRB reviewed? Or is there another set of operational files on Joannides that are separate from the above ones?

The ARRB  reviewed the Joannides files. Morley says it was not the full file, I think it was but there is some ambiguity there. Anyway, the ARRB declared the Joannides files not relevant to the assassination. So, they were not included in the JFK Collection. Morley then sued the CIA under FOIA and after years of back and forth lost. He now wants those 44 files declared part of the JFK Collection and released. He says there is a mechanism in place to do this but Biden would have to be the one to declare them JFK records and order their release.

Tunheim has written to Biden asking for the release of all the records and the Joannides files in particular:

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Featured_TunheimLetterToBiden.html

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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2022, 12:25:13 AM »
The ARRB  reviewed the Joannides files. Morley says it was not the full file, I think it was but there is some ambiguity there. Anyway, the ARRB declared the Joannides files not relevant to the assassination. So, they were not included in the JFK Collection. Morley then sued the CIA under FOIA and after years of back and forth lost. He now wants those 44 files declared part of the JFK Collection and released. He says there is a mechanism in place to do this but Biden would have to be the one to declare them JFK records and order their release.

Tunheim has written to Biden asking for the release of all the records and the Joannides files in particular:

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Featured_TunheimLetterToBiden.html
Thanks for clearing it up; well, at least making it clear what the dispute seems to be about.
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Re: Morley: Major Break Coming in the JFK Assassination Story
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2022, 02:06:42 PM »
Morley meets Glen Beck!

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2022/12/morley-meets-glen-beck.html
It seems there are two people: one is Jefferson Morley who makes reckless and unsubstantiated claims and a second is Morley Jefferson who, as he did on the Beck show, is more cautious and careful. With a tip of the hat to John Armstrong.

The "COINTELPRO-was-a-joint-CIA/FBI operation" is another new claim. Seems that both figures can't resist making that one. I suppose the CiA received intelligence from FBI operations - the suspicion that I've read somewhere was that FPCC was funded/directed by Havana - but sharing intelligence is not, for me, a joint operation. I guess Morley/Jefferson thinks differently.

One last one: the JFK assassination, particularly the Nosenko matter, tore the Counter Intelligence division apart. The later revelations by the media and Congress about the CIA's abuses (the "Family Jewels") ended the careers of many people particularly Angleton (so much for the idea that the CIA controlled the media). Why on Earth would all of this happen if Angleton et al. were behind the assassination? The Nosenko matter could be easily dismissed, it wouldn't tear the CI apart since the idea that Oswald killed JFK on behalf of the Soviets was false, i.e., the CIA did it. But they destroyed themselves over something they knew was false?



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