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Online Jon Banks

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Re: Oswald's Motive
« Reply #224 on: December 14, 2022, 02:24:44 AM »
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None of that is corroboration that Oswald was eating his lunch at the time of the shooting.

It's indirect corroboration for Oswald's claim that he came downstairs for lunch. And he had to have been down there as late as 12:15-12:20 if the witnesses were correct about the timeframes.

While it's possible that he went upstairs just minutes before the motorcade passed by, would that have been enough time for him to assemble the rifle and build the sniper's nest? All the while he couldn't have been aware that the motorcade was running late???

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OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunch room; however he went to the second floor where the Coca–Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca–Cola for his lunch. OSWALD claimed to be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed this building. … he then went home by bus and changed his clothes.

(WR, p.613)



OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize.

(WR, p.622)




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« Reply #225 on: December 14, 2022, 02:59:31 AM »
It's indirect corroboration for Oswald's claim that he came downstairs for lunch. And he had to have been down there as late as 12:15-12:20 if the witnesses were correct about the timeframes.

While it's possible that he went upstairs just minutes before the motorcade passed by, would that have been enough time for him to assemble the rifle and build the sniper's nest? All the while he couldn't have been aware that the motorcade was running late???

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OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunch room; however he went to the second floor where the Coca–Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca–Cola for his lunch. OSWALD claimed to be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed this building. … he then went home by bus and changed his clothes.

(WR, p.613)



OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize.

(WR, p.622)


OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon (This does not mean that he started eating his lunch at that time.....He merely  said that he started his lunch break at approximately noon)  and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunch room,( and while he was eating his lunch in the Domino room he saw Junior Jarman and Harold Norman walk by the lunch room. Jarman and Norman testified that they walked by the Domino room at approximately 12:26 ) however he went to the second floor where the Coca–Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca–Cola for his lunch.  ( Lee Oswald was in fact in that second floor lunchroom at approximately 12:31, where DPD officer Marion Baker saw him and talked to him)

 OSWALD claimed to be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed this building. … he then went home by bus and changed his clothes.

(At the time that Captain Fritz asked Lee where he was when the President passed by the TSBD, Lee was simply telling Fritz where he was when JFK passed by...... He had not be accused of shooting JFK and in fact there is no evidence that he knew that JFK had been murdered at the time that Fritz asked him that question.)

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« Reply #226 on: December 14, 2022, 11:33:51 AM »
I think William Manchester might have summed up LHO’s political view and suggested a motive when he wrote the following:


His subsequent movements became a matter of intense interest after his death, but after the chaff had been sifted only two significant facts remained: he had stumbled from failure to failure, and he had finally returned to Dallas, Texas.

 Much of the later confusion was to arise from his political pretensions. Oswald liked to characterize himself as a Marxist. Really he hadn’t the ideals of a cat, and in his lucid moments he knew it. He was against democracy, Communism, the world. In an autobiographical sketch written before his return to America he acknowledged “a mean streak of indepence brought on by negleck,” and during his voyage home he wondered what would happen if somebody—obviously himself—would

“stand up and say he was utterly opposed not only to the governments, but to the people, too the entire land and complete foundations of his socially. I have heard and read of the resugent Americanism in the U.S., not the ultra-right type, but rather the polite, seemingly pointless Americanism expressed by such as the “American fore group” and the freedom foundation, and yet even in these vieled, formless, patriotic gestures, their is the obvious axe being underground by the invested intrests of the sponseres of there expensive undertaking. To where can I turn? to factional mutants of both systems, to odd-ball Hegelian idealists out of touch with reality religious groups, to revisinist or too abserd anarchism. No!”



His ravings stamp him as an incoherent hater, nothing more. Looking for doctrine in them is like looking for bone in a polyp.
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« Reply #227 on: December 14, 2022, 01:43:35 PM »
Not strange at all if Oswald was the only employee who touched those two boxes in the past couple days.  Seriously, what don't you get about this?

Oswald must have been the most unlucky guy in history that day according to the resident contrarians.  He takes a singular trip for him on Thursday instead of the normal Friday to the location where his wife confirms he kept a rifle on the day before the assassination.  He carries his lunch to work in bag over two feet long.  He lies to Frazier about having his lunch that morning for some unknown reason.  He just happens to be the only TSBD to leave his prints on the SN boxes and the long bag next to the SN.  He is not in the presence of any other person at the moment of assassination and also declines to go out on the street to watch the motorcade even though he has read JFK's book and is likely the TSBD employee most interested in politics.  Thus, he has no credible alibi.  Then he decides to knock off for the day even after a cop pulls a gun on him without asking what is going on.  It's off to the movies!  But you need a gun for that.  So he gets his pistol and (unlucky again!) he passes the scene of the only shooting of a DPD officer in a couple years on this way to the movies.  And it gets worse.  He looks so much like the shooter that multiple witnesses will ID him as the killer.  Not only that but he just happens to have the same two brands of ammo as the killer!  Then he pauses for a little window shopping and draws the attention of a busy body who works there.  But now he catches a break.  The ticket seller is not paying attention so Old Ozzie sneaks into the theater saving himself a dime.  When the police approach him in the movie theatre, he does the logical thing instead of waiting to see what they want he attempts to kill them.  HA HA HA.  His rights are being violated so it's shooting time. 

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« Reply #228 on: December 14, 2022, 02:03:07 PM »
I think William Manchester might have summed up LHO’s political view and suggested a motive when he wrote the following:


The dude was only 23 years old and was married with two children. How many people view themselves as a "failure" at 23 years old? His life was just beginning. And going from being a dyslexic kid to mastering the Russian language is quite and accomplishment.

What social pressure existed to make him feel that way? He wasn't materialistic and doesn't seem to have been super concerned about money.
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« Reply #229 on: December 14, 2022, 02:37:38 PM »
The dude was only 23 years old and was married with two children. How many people view themselves as a "failure" at 23 years old? His life was just beginning. And going from being a dyslexic kid to mastering the Russian language is quite and accomplishment.

What social pressure existed to make him feel that way? He wasn't materialistic and doesn't seem to have been super concerned about money.



How many people view themselves as a "failure" at 23 years old?


No one said that LHO considered himself a failure. Manchester said that he had “stumbled from failure to failure.”


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« Reply #230 on: December 14, 2022, 03:29:41 PM »


How many people view themselves as a "failure" at 23 years old?


No one said that LHO considered himself a failure. Manchester said that he had “stumbled from failure to failure.”

As do most people before they "grow up" or mature emotionally. Not many people consider themselves "successful" at 23.

He seems to have had financial problems but they don't seem to have bothered him. Like if he really wanted to have a steady job and income, that was within his reach. He just chose to do some odd and inexplicable things in his short life. (Inexplicable outside of the context of his potentially being an intelligence asset).

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« Reply #231 on: December 14, 2022, 04:35:21 PM »
The dude was only 23 years old and was married with two children. How many people view themselves as a "failure" at 23 years old? His life was just beginning. And going from being a dyslexic kid to mastering the Russian language is quite and accomplishment.

What social pressure existed to make him feel that way? He wasn't materialistic and doesn't seem to have been super concerned about money.

Oswald was 24, for what it's worth.