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[Charles Collins]

You’re lying when you claim that Oswald “pulled out a gun”. That is specifically contradicted by McDonald and Walker.

That is specifically contradicted by McDonald and Walker.


I don’t think so…



Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.



Mr. BELIN. When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you see by his belt?
Mr. WALKER. I saw his right hand. I had his left hand, you see.
Mr. BELIN. When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you see then?
Mr. WALKER. He had ahold of the handle of it.
Mr. BELIN. Handle of what?
Mr. WALKER. The revolver.
Mr. BELIN. Was there a revolver there?
Mr. WALKER. Yes; there was.

[John Iacoletti]

I don’t think so…

You’re really trying to equate “holding the handle of it” with “pulling it out”? Really?

In his report to Curry, McDonald clearly stated that the gun was still in Oswald’s waistband when McDonald grabbed his hand and pulled both Oswald’s hand and the gun out.

[Charles Collins]

You’re really trying to equate “holding the handle of it” with “pulling it out”? Really?

In his report to Curry, McDonald clearly stated that the gun was still in Oswald’s waistband when McDonald grabbed his hand and pulled both Oswald’s hand and the gun out.

What the freaking heck do you think LHO’s intentions were?

[John Iacoletti]

It doesn’t matter. He either did the thing you’re saying he did or he did not.

[Charles Collins]

It doesn’t matter. He either did the thing you’re saying he did or he did not.

Yes it does matter!  What possible other intent could make any sense whatsoever. And you excluding or ignoring McDonald’s sworn testimony that confirms LHO was indeed drawing or pulling the revolver is not how to determine whether or not I lied. Get a grip on reality clown!

[Charles Collins]

Name them. And how would they know what he was “attempting” if he didn’t actually do it?

The problem is trying to pass this off as evidence that he murdered somebody. It’s not.

Which strangely only McDonald heard.

Under normal circumstances, honest cops don’t search, assault, or arrest people for murder without probable cause.

And how would they know what he was “attempting” if he didn’t actually do it?


Once LHO reached down and grabbed the handle of the revolver he was by definition in the process of drawing it. McDonald even stated that he could feel LHO’s hand on the trigger. It is very obvious from these actions what he was attempting to do. You trying to pretend otherwise is just plain nonsense.



Under normal circumstances, honest cops don’t search, assault, or arrest people for murder without probable cause.


These were not normal circumstances. And they had probable cause.

[John Iacoletti]

Yes it does matter!  What possible other intent could make any sense whatsoever. And you excluding or ignoring McDonald’s sworn testimony that confirms LHO was indeed drawing or pulling the revolver is not how to determine whether or not I lied. Get a grip on reality clown!

Your perception of "intent" (or McDonald's) doesn't matter to the claim that Oswald "pulled out a gun".  He either pulled one out or he didn't.