Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !

[Joe Elliott]

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=625#relPageId=4&tab=page
ARRB MD 44 - Sibert and O'Neill Report on the Autopsy (11/26/63)--"Gemberling Version"

If one clicks on the following link, one can find out that:

https://books.google.com/books?id=q1VJAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA1059&lpg=PA1059&dq=%22as+well+as+surgery+of+the+head+area%22&source=bl&ots=6BO6V1SCsi&sig=Uvckv2QCY2XIxtwH687MCMqorDc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYzvyCtJLbAhVJ6WMKHYwNAOYQ6AEINzAE#v=onepage&q=%22as%20well%20as%20surgery%20of%20the%20head%20area%22&f=false



The ?surgery of the head area? was just the autopsy doctors initial impression. They saw that a good part of the brain was missing. A body generally would not have a good part of the brain missing unless surgery had been performed to remove it. Autopsy of people shot through the head with a rifle bullet are not real common, so it is natural for this to be the initial impression and the FBI agent wrote down the doctor?s impressions as they examined the body.

It soon became apparent that there were no other signs of surgery to the head region. Just the missing portion of the brain. It appears the doctors did not make this clear to the FBI agent who was taking notes.

A portion of the brain was removed by the explosive wound within the initial 10 milliseconds of the wound. One can see this in frame z313. This is not a typical wound and usually does not happen, so it?s natural for the doctors to initially conclude that surgery had been performed as soon as they perceived that some of the brain was missing.

[Matt Grantham]

 Is it just me or does the most comprehensive view of the top of the skull at autopsy look very much like straight edges. on the left edge of the wound as well as the one running perpendicular to that, just like a saw . who a couple of witnesses to the illicit autopsy have stated seeing used by Humes, would make?

[Jack Trojan]

The ?surgery of the head area? was just the autopsy doctors initial impression. They saw that a good part of the brain was missing. A body generally would not have a good part of the brain missing unless surgery had been performed to remove it. Autopsy of people shot through the head with a rifle bullet are not real common, so it is natural for this to be the initial impression and the FBI agent wrote down the doctor?s impressions as they examined the body.

It soon became apparent that there were no other signs of surgery to the head region. Just the missing portion of the brain. It appears the doctors did not make this clear to the FBI agent who was taking notes.

Wow, you certainly are a dancer for the cause. Are you telling us that the following head anomaly was not the product of postmortem surgery?

A portion of the brain was removed by the explosive wound within the initial 10 milliseconds of the wound. One can see this in frame z313. This is not a typical wound and usually does not happen, so it?s natural for the doctors to initially conclude that surgery had been performed as soon as they perceived that some of the brain was missing.

There is no other explanation for an explosive wound than an explosion. A FMJ bullet cannot explode. Just ask the MB. The "Jet Effect" is BS. It always follows the trajectory of the bullet. We should expect to see a blow out where the postmortem surgery was performed. Did the Jet Effect cause all this damage?



And lastly, why do you assume that an edited copy of the Z film is authentic? Where is the original film and why has the FBI withheld it for 50+ years? Edited copies on their own are worthless. Especially if conspirators release them.

[Matt Grantham]

 I can't find the quote right now, but I believe either Steve or Joe, at one point claimed the the scalp flap that only appears on Zapruder and at Bethesda, actually covered the rear exit wound?

[Joe Elliott]

Wow, you certainly are a dancer for the cause. Are you telling us that the following head anomaly was not the product of postmortem surgery?

Well, based on my experience with performing surgeries, I don?t think the incisions would have been made nearly so crudely. As least, not by me. Actually, my experience with surgeries is limited to bandaging cut fingers.

I have no idea what differences between a hole in the skull made by surgery cut compared with one made by an explosive wound.

Question:

Can you name a single doctor who thinks that this looks like the result of surgery and not an explosive wound?

There is no other explanation for an explosive wound than an explosion. A FMJ bullet cannot explode. Just ask the MB. The "Jet Effect" is BS. It always follows the trajectory of the bullet. We should expect to see a blow out where the postmortem surgery was performed. Did the Jet Effect cause all this damage?

The WCC/MC bullet did not explode. It fragmented. While called a non-frangible bullet, the WCC/MC was fragmentation resistant, not fragmentation proof. The bullet can and will fragment if he strikes bone at close to it?s muzzle velocity, which is what the bullet at z312 did, and the bullet at z222 did not.

While the bullet did not explode, or even fragment, it did cause an explosive wound. The bullet does not have to explode to cause an explosive wound in the head.

Question:

Can you a name a single ballistic expert who does not thing that this would could have been caused by a WCC/MC bullet? Or who disagrees with the points I have made, which I got from Larry Strudivan?s ?The JFK Myths??

And lastly, why do you assume that an edited copy of the Z film is authentic? Where is the original film and why has the FBI withheld it for 50+ years? Edited copies on their own are worthless. Especially if conspirators release them.

Logic. What good would modifying these frames do, when they have no idea what other films and photographs were also taken and need modifying. Unless there was a Large, Secret and Enduring Conspiracy that would be confident of intercepting all such photographs, because they process all photographs and film.

Was it even possible, in 1963, to modify these films and autopsy photographs, without failing various tests, like by 3-D images. CTers see no need to do the same. Break open a melon, film and photograph it and modify all the films and photographs that can fool the experts. Who would fail to tell which set of photographs were real and which set were modified. All that is needed is to suggest that this was possible and to assume that it was done, and that is good enough.

[Jack Trojan]

Well, based on my experience with performing surgeries, I don?t think the incisions would have been made nearly so crudely. As least, not by me. Actually, my experience with surgeries is limited to bandaging cut fingers.

Like the bogus throat hole tracheotomy, the postmortem surgery on the head shot was intended to make it an exit wound, hence the crudeness of the surgery. But not nearly crude enough.

I have no idea what differences between a hole in the skull made by surgery cut compared with one made by an explosive wound.

The Parkland physicians seemed to know the difference, and commented on it.

Question:

Can you name a single doctor who thinks that this looks like the result of surgery and not an explosive wound?

Only the entrance wound was subjected to postmortem surgery, not the head explosion. The funeral home did what they could to cover up the head wounds (which failed) and the autopsy guys did what they could to make the fake autopsy photos convincing.

The WCC/MC bullet did not explode. It fragmented. While called a non-frangible bullet, the WCC/MC was fragmentation resistant, not fragmentation proof. The bullet can and will fragment if he strikes bone at close to it?s muzzle velocity, which is what the bullet at z312 did, and the bullet at z222 did not.

A fragmenting bullet caused JFK's head to explode? Doubt it.

While the bullet did not explode, or even fragment, it did cause an explosive wound. The bullet does not have to explode to cause an explosive wound in the head.

Sez you. Describe the physics behind your claim.

Question:

Can you a name a single ballistic expert who does not thing that this would could have been caused by a WCC/MC bullet? Or who disagrees with the points I have made, which I got from Larry Strudivan?s ?The JFK Myths??

Logic. What good would modifying these frames do, when they have no idea what other films and photographs were also taken and need modifying. Unless there was a Large, Secret and Enduring Conspiracy that would be confident of intercepting all such photographs, because they process all photographs and film.

Modifying these frames support the LN narrative, of course.

Was it even possible, in 1963, to modify these films and autopsy photographs, without failing various tests, like by 3-D images. CTers see no need to do the same. Break open a melon, film and photograph it and modify all the films and photographs that can fool the experts. Who would fail to tell which set of photographs were real and which set were modified. All that is needed is to suggest that this was possible and to assume that it was done, and that is good enough.

Absolutely, this was possible in 1963. How do you think they got you to believe the Wizard of Oz was real? They used an optical printer for all the FX, which is still in use today. Surely the FBI recruited a movie pro to edit the Z film, but not necessarily. They only needed to edit the Z film at the Turkey Shoot Point, otherwise, the Orville-Nix film was the only other film that needed to match the Z film, and only to address the limo nearly stopping.

I'm a photogrammetrist so I know this to be true. It was easy to edit the Z film to paint any kind of narrative they wanted. I haven't decided whether Zapruder was recruited to film the scene. The only question at this point is where the original Z film is? All we got was edited copies from the FBI. The original film would tell all. Why would the FBI withhold the original film when it would exonerate them from any link to a conspiracy if they released it?

[Royell Storing]

Is it just me or does the most comprehensive view of the top of the skull at autopsy look very much like straight edges. on the left edge of the wound as well as the one running perpendicular to that, just like a saw . who a couple of witnesses to the illicit autopsy have stated seeing used by Humes, would make?

        Tom Robinson went on record as to seeing Humes use a bone saw on the head of JFK. Humes himself admitted that he slit the scalp of JFK . The autopsy photos all of us have looked at were Stolen. This renders them unworthy of serious consideration.