Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !

[Joe Elliott]

 Amusing Doctors do not examine wounds?

Not when they have higher priority tasks.


** Continuing checking for breathing.

** Continuing checking for heartbeats.

** Hooking up patient for emergency blood transfusion.

** Hooking up patient and delivering medicine through a needle.

Could not use the usual methods of controlling bleeding like direct pressure or a tourniquet because most of the bleeding was from the brain. Taking time to ?examine? this wound won?t give them any insights on how to stop the bleeding, or keep the heart beating, or keep the breathing going.


All of which was over in about ten minutes.


Once a patient is stabilized, then, yes, the wounds should be carefully examined.

[Matt Grantham]

 UPI had not seen anything but the Marie Muchmore film, which they had in their possession. The films all show the limo slowing and the motorcycle's remaining at the same speed.  Naturally, it looks like the "police escort pulls up" because they are still travelling at the 11 mph they were travelling before Greer took his foot off the gas.

Posner is correct.  The limo slowing did make Oswald's final shot easy target.  The limo, did not stop.

 Bob Clark was not in a position to see the limousine during the assassination.  He was several cars back and the vehicles in front of him would have blocked his view of the limousine completely.

 Your citation re Chaney is ridiculous.  We know that what he said did not happen.  Out of all of the  witnesses to the assassination, the majority of them never said anything about the limousine doing what Chaney, Truly and "Others" you say saw it stop completely.  It didn't happen. The films--regardless of your belief that they are "altered"-- prove this, as well as the majority of witnesses who never saw the car do what Chaney said it did.

 Relative to the background there is no slowing of the limo

[Jack Trojan]

Not when they have higher priority tasks.


** Continuing checking for breathing.

** Continuing checking for heartbeats.

** Hooking up patient for emergency blood transfusion.

** Hooking up patient and delivering medicine through a needle.

Could not use the usual methods of controlling bleeding like direct pressure or a tourniquet because most of the bleeding was from the brain. Taking time to ?examine? this wound won?t give them any insights on how to stop the bleeding, or keep the heart beating, or keep the breathing going.


All of which was over in about ten minutes.


Once a patient is stabilized, then, yes, the wounds should be carefully examined.

Are you claiming that JFK was still alive when they brought him to Bethesda? The doctor never would have given him a tracheotomy if he was still alive. It would have killed him.

[Matt Grantham]

Not when they have higher priority tasks.


** Continuing checking for breathing.

** Continuing checking for heartbeats.

** Hooking up patient for emergency blood transfusion.



** Hooking up patient and delivering medicine through a needle.

Could not use the usual methods of controlling bleeding like direct pressure or a tourniquet because most of the bleeding was from the brain. Taking time to ?examine? this wound won?t give them any insights on how to stop the bleeding, or keep the heart beating, or keep the breathing going.


All of which was over in about ten minutes.


Once a patient is stabilized, then, yes, the wounds should be carefully examined.

 False dichotomy If you are treating a patients wound you have to examine it to see what the problem is It may be that the missed some smaller wounds further up on the head, but that is not the point here

[Mitch Todd]

False dichotomy If you are treating a patients wound you have to examine it to see what the problem is It may be that the missed some smaller wounds further up on the head, but that is not the point here

About 25-30 years ago, I pestered any number of medical pros, from paramedics to physicians, about this. They were unanimous that trauma care is applied in strict "ABC" fashion. That is, Airway first, then Breathing, then Circulation. Anything else comes after those three, since there's no point in trying to fix anything else if the patient is neither able to breathe nor pumping blood. As one doctor I asked put it, "On the hierarchy of things medically wrong with JFK at that time, the hole in his head was well down on the list." It may seem strange, until you think about it.

BTW, of the medical people I've talked to, they thought that Carrico, would have had the most careful look at the wound since he was first physician on the scene, and was responsible for the initial examination/triage.

[Matt Grantham]

About 25-30 years ago, I pestered any number of medical pros, from paramedics to physicians, about this. They were unanimous that trauma care is applied in strict "ABC" fashion. That is, Airway first, then Breathing, then Circulation. Anything else comes after those three, since there's no point in trying to fix anything else if the patient is neither able to breathe nor pumping blood. As one doctor I asked put it, "On the hierarchy of things medically wrong with JFK at that time, the hole in his head was well down on the list." It may seem strange, until you think about it.

BTW, of the medical people I've talked to, they thought that Carrico, would have had the most careful look at the wound since he was first physician on the scene, and was responsible for the initial examination/triage.

 Sorry if I find this whole consideration absurd We are not talking about some fine details of the nature of the wound, we are simply talking about the general location of a very large wound  It is not a matter of an inch or two discrepancy it is a matter of wound halfway across his skull You actually used the 'E' word, I imagine Joe will object to that

[John Iacoletti]

The Harper fragment and the David Burris fragment were both found several yards AHEAD of where the limousine was located at the time of the fatal shot

Any idea how these ended on the South side of Elm if it was the right side of Kennedy's head that was blown out?