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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Matt Grantham on June 02, 2018, 05:47:18 PM --- Is it your suggestion that I knew there was no supporting evidence for the quote attributed to Zapruder that once hew started filming he did not stop and simply came clean when you caught me?
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My suggestion is that you said something based on a either a vague memory of something someone else said at some point in the past or a memory of something vague that someone said, also in the past. Either way, you didn't remember the original source, and may not have ever known the original source other than via someone else's commentary about it. I suspect that you believed it when you said it, but when called on it, the underlying knowledge was a bit more nebulous than you'd first figured.
I give you a lot of credit for coming clean. This kind of thing happens more than we like to realize. Lots of people would simply try to bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns their way out; you didn't.
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on June 03, 2018, 05:28:23 PM ---
ZAPRUDER/SHAW TESTIMONY
ATTORNEY - "Is the copy you have here today Identical to the original or are there any plates missing?"
ZAPRUDER - "That would be hard for me to tell, Sir."
COURT - "I cannot hear the witness. What is it?"
ZAPRUDER - "That would be hard for me to say. He asked me if there were any frames missing."
COURT - "What is your answer?"
ZAPRUDER - " I couldn't say."
Clearly, Zapruder while under oath is Not going to verify that the Zapruder Film he himself brought to court has Not been altered.
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You left out the last question from the exchange between Drymond and Z:
BY MR. DYMOND:
Q: So you don't know whether it is a complete copy of the film you took on the 22nd of November?
A: Not if there are one or two frames missing, I couldn't tell you.
He says only "one or two", nothing like what would be missing if they'd carved out a section where the limo approached and turned onto Elm Street.
Jack Trojan:
--- Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on June 03, 2018, 03:58:44 PM ---Where did Zapruder say the he didn't recall stopping and re-starting the film?
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You'd reject any transcript I provided a link to so I won't bother. Besides, we don't need Zapruder's testimony. There is a "First Frame Over-Exposure" effect that is missing in the jump cut that removed the turn onto Elm. This occurs when you stop and start film. Since this frame was not present, the jump cut at frame 132-133 was not the result of stopping/starting the camera and this was not the original film. QED.
--- Quote ---Newsweek never had the film. The original (and a first generation copy) was owned/purchased by Time/Life magazine.
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I was throwing Newsweek back at the poster who claimed this. Otherwise, who cares who received a COPY of the Z film? They certainly didn't receive nor damage the original.
--- Quote ---Where did you get this information that over a hundred frames were damaged? And where is your information as to which frames were damaged?
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I'm extrapolating how many frames must have been cut between frames 132-133 based on the position of the limo and its speed and the frame rate of 18 fps.
--- Quote ---From what I've read, Time/Life said the ORIGINAL was damaged (a few frames but not over a hundred). So they took the frames from the first generation copy they had and added or spliced them to the original. Nothing was removed or taken out.
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How would you or any of them know they were working with the original?
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Jack Trojan on June 04, 2018, 02:39:14 AM ---[...]
I was throwing Newsweek back at the poster who claimed this. Otherwise, who cares who received a COPY of the Z film? They certainly didn't receive nor damage the original.
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I'm the guy you were replying to at the time, yet I didn't mention Newsweek.
Just for shoots and googles, I used the site search engine to find the string "newsweek." All I got back was you bringing up Newsweek, and others quoting and/or replying to your claim.
Jack Trojan:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on June 04, 2018, 07:09:49 AM ---I'm the guy you were replying to at the time, yet I didn't mention Newsweek.
Just for shoots and googles, I used the site search engine to find the string "newsweek." All I got back was you bringing up Newsweek, and others quoting and/or replying to your claim.
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Then I suppose you were the one who corrected your post before I quoted you. I don't recall because whoever received a copy of the Z-film, and damaged it, is irrelevant.
But what about the rest of my post? Or is that all you got as a rebut?
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