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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
Chris Bristow:
At 20 seconds Hargis says the limo slowed. But the most interesting part is when he says "this is not for public viewing'. First he said the limo slowed but then says it "came to almost a complete stop".
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Ta8PsYJfU
Matt Grantham:
The following link shows some evidence of some serious breaking or slowing around 313
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAtEdEaXBtQ
Steve Barber:
It is really exasperating to read these comments from people saying that the fatal shot came from the front. I have yet to see anyone posting the proof that the shot came from the rear, when there is more proof of it than anything else!
The Harper fragment and the David Burris fragment were both found several yards AHEAD of where the limousine was located at the time of the fatal shot--not to mention the piece of skull Seymour Weitzman saw someone "lifting from the gutter on Elm street". The majority of the head matter landed on the Connally's, Greer, Kellerman, the hood, sun visors(both sides) windshield, interior of the car, the side rails--both sides of the car and trunk lid. All you have to do is read the testimony of Robert Frazier. The top of the president's head--not the rear or side--was blown off. Mrs. Kennedy's own words to Theodore White one week(7 days) after the assassination reveals this. As for the motorcycle officers, look closely and you can see the fine mist("cloud"/"plume") that Bobby Hargis describes that he drove into, and Martin said he didn't even see the fatal shot, nor did he feel anything land on him. He only described what he saw on his uniform, helmet and motorcycle, later, after directing traffic. The display of head matter in the Zapruder film shows the top of the head flying through the air towards the front. Someone (I believe it was Dr.Lattimer) estimated them traveling at around 80 MPH, and it's obvious that these are skull fragments. James Altgens stated during an interview--not to mention his WC testimony--that head matter flew in his direction. He stated during one interview (possibly in Richard Trask's Pictures Of the Pain ) that matter landed near his feet. Nowhere in the Zapruder film do we see skull fragments or large fragments of head matter flying to the rear of the limousine, and no skull fragments were found or seen flying to the rear. The majority of head matter flew forward, a mist captured in the wind wafts to rear and is what landed on Hargis and Martin.
Matt Grantham:
--- Quote from: Steve Barber on May 13, 2018, 08:09:51 PM --- It is really exasperating to read these comments from people saying that the fatal shot came from the front. I have yet to see anyone posting the proof that the shot came from the rear, when there is more proof of it than anything else!
The Harper fragment and the David Burris fragment were both found several yards AHEAD of where the limousine was located at the time of the fatal shot--not to mention the piece of skull Seymour Weitzman saw someone "lifting from the gutter on Elm street". The majority of the head matter landed on the Connally's, Greer, Kellerman, the hood, sun visors(both sides) windshield, interior of the car, the side rails--both sides of the car and trunk lid. All you have to do is read the testimony of Robert Frazier. The top of the president's head--not the rear or side--was blown off. Mrs. Kennedy's own words to Theodore White one week(7 days) after the assassination reveals this. As for the motorcycle officers, look closely and you can see the fine mist("cloud"/"plume") that Bobby Hargis describes that he drove into, and Martin said he didn't even see the fatal shot, nor did he feel anything land on him. He only described what he saw on his uniform, helmet and motorcycle, later, after directing traffic. The display of head matter in the Zapruder film shows the top of the head flying through the air towards the front. Someone (I believe it was Dr.Lattimer) estimated them traveling at around 80 MPH, and it's obvious that these are skull fragments. James Altgens stated during an interview--not to mention his WC testimony--that head matter flew in his direction. He stated during one interview (possibly in Richard Trask's Pictures Of the Pain ) that matter landed near his feet. Nowhere in the Zapruder film do we see skull fragments or large fragments of head matter flying to the rear of the limousine, and no skull fragments were found or seen flying to the rear. The majority of head matter flew forward, a mist captured in the wind wafts to rear and is what landed on Hargis and Martin.
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Citations please!
Steve Barber:
--- Quote from: Matt Grantham on May 13, 2018, 09:43:15 PM --- Citations please!
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So, you aren't familiar with ANY of what I said?
Robert Frazier Warren Commission testimony. Graphic description of the blood and head matter all over the car as well as bullet fragments and damage to the windshield. Look it up.
Mrs. Kennedy 's description of the head wound on top of the head: http://www.jfklancer.com/pdf/Camelot.pdf
Both John and Nellie Connally describe head matter landing on them, John Connally describing a "chunk of the President's brain as almost as my thumbnail" landed on his trousers. Read his Warren Commission testimony . It's in there.
Mrs. Connally described it merely as "matter all over the car and both of us". She stated that it felt like "spent buckshot" when it landed on her. Read her Warren Commission testimony. it's in there.
Roy Kellerman described the head matter as "moist sawdust" landing on him. Read his Warren Commission testimony. It's in there.
Bill Greer never mentioned feeling anything strike him, but the fact that the windshield directly in front of him was blood spattered/splattered as well as the windshield being struck on the inside by a fragment of the bullet to the head of the president, indicates he could never have escaped being splattered/spattered with blood, brain and possibly skull fragments.
You will have to do your own search on Billy Harper re: the "Harper Fragment"
B.J. Martin Warren commission testimony-available online Same with his testimony at the Clay Shaw trial, also available online.
Bobby Hargis Warren Commission testimony and Clay Shaw trial testimony (see above)
David Burris. I have two 8x10's taken of the area in Dealey Plaza which Burris himself highlighted where he found the skull fragments. I will post these photographs here on this forum.
Seymour Weitzman Warren Commission testimony. He mentions having found a fragment that was lying in the street 8-12 inches from the curb on the south side of Elm street. I made an error saying that Weitzman found it in the gutter. I mixed this up with the story about Weitzman in the book The Day Kennedy Was Shot by Jim Bishop.
I do not have access to any of my assassination books, they are packed away, so I cannot tell you (as I indicated) exactly where James Altgens mentioned head matter landing near his feet, but, his Warren Commission testimony does mention him saying that matter came in his direction. As i mentioned, I believe it may be in Richard Trask's Pictures Of the Pain.
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