The Remains of Bonnie Ray

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: The Remains of Bonnie Ray
« Reply #77 on: October 26, 2022, 05:47:48 PM »
Curious reference to a LHO fifth-floor sighting in Depository---------contained in script for Mr Bob Huffaker's 11/22 report for KRLD on Mr Oswald's arrest:

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Online Zeon Mason

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Re: The Remains of Bonnie Ray
« Reply #78 on: November 07, 2022, 11:20:12 PM »
It seems illogical for the 6th floor to have been chosen  ( allegedly) by Lovelady , Norman Jarman , or Williams since as the photos show there’s not an east west open aisle along the row of south facing windows. Boxes  are clustered up against the south wall.

In contrast, rhe 5th floor had an easy to traverse east-west aisle along the south facing row of windows per the photo showing  Norman and Jarman taking their positions for the WC investigation photos.

As Arnold Rowland claims to have seen an elderly negro wearing a red and green plaid shirt , at the 6th floor SE corner window at 12:15 such persons as Bonnie Ray Williams or Eddie Piper must therefore be ruled out as probable candidates since they  do NOT match the description.

Simultaneously, Rowland observes a man whom Rowland described    as a white man or possibly LATIN man and the man is holding a rifle that appears (in Rowland opinion) to be a 30.06 HUNTING rifle with a LARGE scope.

One has only to look at the BackYard photo of Oswald ( or someone ) holding the 40 “ MC rifle and how the left of center mounted scope  is almost NOT visible at all. And this LOS perspective from camera is a mere 10-15 ft away from Oswald and on the same level.

So it is  difficult to see the scope on the MC rifle a mere 15ft away  on the same ground level,   how much MORE difficult would it be to see the scope from 140 ft away and looking at it from iUPWARD  angle to a 72 ft height window?

Questions:
1. The 6th floor seems to have been  being occupied by 2 persons whom  do NOT appear to be TSBD employees. One was an “elderly” negro at the SE 6th floor window from 12:15-12:20 and he was LEANING OUT the window!  WHY?

2. The other white/Latin man at the SW 6th floor corner window was  AT THE SAME TIME , displaying a rifle with a scope so large that Rowland could see it from 140 ft distant. WHY?

3. After the fact, the WC  attempts to explain these 2 men seen by Rowland as being Bonnie Ray Williams and Oswald. They  place BRW, at a window that Is CLOSED and is several windows WEST  of the SE 6th floor corner window. WHY?

Do they not see the obvious conflict with Arnold Rowland observations?
Even if their intent was to discredit Rowland, why does  the WC choose to place a YOUNG “negro” with SOLID red shirt, (BRW) at a window CLOSER to Oswald and at a window BRW could NOT have been hanging out? This makes it highly improbable  that BRW could not  have seen Oswald , and just as unprovable that Oswald would  not have seen BRW BEFORE Oswald even gets to to the SW window to theoretically display an  MC rifle.

IMO, the answer must be that the WC decided (from influence by LBJ)  to zealously follow the Hoover directive ( K-memo) that the public must be convinced there was no conspiracy. To that end, they created the simplistic “Lone “Nut” theory which they HOPED the public would accept. They apparently did not anticipate the public critical scrutiny that was to follow.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: The Remains of Bonnie Ray
« Reply #79 on: November 08, 2022, 02:16:08 PM »
A flash of credentials, and problem solved



Hilarious.  No one can believe that BRW would have been allowed to leave the floor after seeing your fantasy conspirators.  They were getting ready to assassinate the president, but they let BRW go to potentially raise the alarm or ID them after the fact blowing the whole framing of Oswald etc.

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Re: The Remains of Bonnie Ray
« Reply #80 on: November 08, 2022, 06:09:17 PM »
Even though some aspects of the testimony of Rowland were false and there was no other corroborating evidence about the elderly black man on the sixth floor of the TSBD Building, we made every effort to verify whether this part of Rowland’s testimony was true. Among other things, we took the deposition of every employee in the building who might remotely resemble this description and we accounted for the whereabouts of these employees at the time of the assassination (as well as the whereabouts of all other employees in the TSBD Building). We also verified that there were no persons in the immediate area who were strangers to the building.

Whereas the statement of Rowland about the elderly balding black man that he claims he saw in the southeast corner of the TSBD Building from around 12:15 to 12:24 pm is uncorroborated and is contradicted by the testimony of his wife, his other testimony about the slender white man with dark hair holding a rifle is supported by his written affidavit and is further corroborated by his wife. On the basis of the overall record, our conclusion was that he probably saw a man with a rifle appear briefly at the southwest corner of the sixth floor of the TSBD Building around 15 minutes before the assassination but that he did not see an elderly balding Negro man in the southeast corner of the sixth floor of the TSBD Building.


David Belin, pages 457-458 of “November 22, 1963: You Are The Jury”

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The Remains of Bonnie Ray
« Reply #81 on: November 08, 2022, 06:19:23 PM »
Self-serving BS from Belin.  Barbara Rowland not happening to see or hear about the "elderly black man" doesn't "contradict" Arnold seeing him.

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Re: The Remains of Bonnie Ray
« Reply #82 on: November 08, 2022, 08:13:07 PM »
Nearly twenty-five years have passed since the hour of two murders on November 22, 1963. I had more firsthand, direct contact with the key witnesses to these two murders and with the physical evidence than anyone else in the world. I had this contact in 1964, right after the events took place, when the recollections of the witnesses were most accurate. It was clear beyond a reasonable doubt that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman who killed President Kennedy.


David Belin, page 226 of “Final Disclosure, The Full Truth About the Assassination of President Kennedy”

Online Zeon Mason

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Re: The Remains of Bonnie Ray
« Reply #83 on: November 11, 2022, 07:54:02 PM »
Ok, that’s Mr.Belins conclusion which at least  DOES accept that Rowland saw a man with a rifle at the SW 6th floor window at 12:15.

If Mr.Belin also accepts that Bonnie Ray Williams was  on the 6th floor just a few windows away at 12:15 , then how to explain BRW not seeing the man with the rifle? (Or via versa) . Maybe need to examine the probable LOS again?

I can’t post photos with my device here on this forum, so If someone would post a photo again showing the boxes up against the south wall so it can be seen what the probability is for having LOS blocked such that a person using the west side wall aisle would not be aware of a person at the window that BRW is supposedly at, would most helpful:)