The Remains of Bonnie Ray

[Richard Smith]

I simply asked you to PROVE that there was a rifle pointing out of the window AT THE TIME OF THE SHOOTING....

Solid irrefutable prove  ..... Not statements from spectators....

This is comedy gold.  I got to ask this one.  Wait for it.  What would constitute "solid irrefutable prove" if you don't accept the statements from multiple witnesses who were present or physical evidence left by Oswald (e.g. his rifle)?  Several witnesses confirmed that a rifle was pointed out the 6th floor window at the moment the shots were fired.  The folks under that window on the 5th floor confirmed that the shots came from just about their heads.  They actually heard the rifle being used.  Robert Jackson took a photo of the window moments after the assassination because he saw the rifle.

[Walt Cakebread]

This is comedy gold.  I got to ask this one.  Wait for it.  What would constitute "solid irrefutable prove" if you don't accept the statements from multiple witnesses who were present or physical evidence left by Oswald (e.g. his rifle)?  Several witnesses confirmed that a rifle was pointed out the 6th floor window at the moment the shots were fired.  The folks under that window on the 5th floor confirmed that the shots came from just about their heads.  They actually heard the rifle being used.  Robert Jackson took a photo of the window moments after the assassination because he saw the rifle.

I said the above is all BS.... I asked you to post a photo that shows a rifle sticking out of the window. 

[Dan O'meara]

So what is being suggested?  I'm not exactly sure why all this matters.

You're not sure why it matters that Bonnie Ray Williams had his lunch sitting in the Sniper's Nest while a man with a rifle was stood at the other end of the 6th floor? You're not sure why that matters?

We know with absolute certainty that at 12:30 someone (i.e. Oswald) was pointing a rifle out the 6th floor window.  So someone was there at 12:30 whether BRW saw or heard anything while having his lunch.

We know it wasn't Oswald as four eye-witness reported that the assassin was wearing clothes Oswald wasn't wearing that day and didn't own.
We know it wasn't Oswald as he never had the distinctive bald spot Amos Euins was adamant about.
Not to mention the report of Oswald's observation of Norman and Jarman as they made their way to the west elevator after entering the rear door of the TSBD building.
But someone was definitely pointing a rifle out of the SN window and they fired the rifle from the Sniper's Nest, vacated by BRW minutes before.

It seems extremely unlikely that BRW would have seen or heard anything suspicious and never mentioned it to anyone.  And would go to the window directly below if he had reason to believe something was up on the 6th floor.

Does it seem likely that a young black man, in Dallas [the City of Hate], in the '60's, would lie to the police when questioned about the assassination of the President? Because that's exactly what he did.
And when he did admit to being on the 6th floor he continually lied about how long he was up there.
And he was still lying during his WC testimony when he said he had his lunch in the place the Crime Lab photographed his lunch remains. We know this because his lunch remains were found on top of the SN.
Williams consistently makes every effort to distance himself from the SN.
If he saw anyone on the 6th floor before coming down to the 5th floor to join Norman and Jarman, it wasn't Oswald, it was someone still very much alive at the time of his WC testimony. Otherwise there would be no need to continue lying.

[Walt Cakebread]

You're not sure why it matters that Bonnie Ray Williams had his lunch sitting in the Sniper's Nest while a man with a rifle was stood at the other end of the 6th floor? You're not sure why that matters?

We know it wasn't Oswald as four eye-witness reported that the assassin was wearing clothes Oswald wasn't wearing that day and didn't own.
We know it wasn't Oswald as he never had the distinctive bald spot Amos Euins was adamant about.
Not to mention the report of Oswald's observation of Norman and Jarman as they made their way to the west elevator after entering the rear door of the TSBD building.
But someone was definitely pointing a rifle out of the SN window and they fired the rifle from the Sniper's Nest, vacated by BRW minutes before.

Does it seem likely that a young black man, in Dallas [the City of Hate], in the '60's, would lie to the police when questioned about the assassination of the President? Because that's exactly what he did.
And when he did admit to being on the 6th floor he continually lied about how long he was up there.
And he was still lying during his WC testimony when he said he had his lunch in the place the Crime Lab photographed his lunch remains. We know this because his lunch remains were found on top of the SN.
Williams consistently makes every effort to distance himself from the SN.
If he saw anyone on the 6th floor before coming down to the 5th floor to join Norman and Jarman, it wasn't Oswald, it was someone still very much alive at the time of his WC testimony. Otherwise there would be no need to continue lying.

If he saw anyone on the 6th floor before coming down to the 5th floor to join Norman and Jarman, it wasn't Oswald

Yes, That's true.... But I believe that BRW did see someone on the sixth floor and that someone was a figure of authority  ( a man dressed in khaki clothes like a deputy sheriff ) who reminded him that the employees had been informed that the sixth floor was closed during lunch period and threatened to get him fired if he didn't leave immediately.....and forget that he had seen anybody on the sixth floor.

That would fit with the sighting of the man with the rifle by Rowland....And also Howard Brennan   

[Alan Ford]

Some facts worth injecting into this discussion:

1. Mr. Bonnie Ray Williams does not match the description of the 'elderly Negro' seen by Mr. Arnold Rowland at the SN window

2. Mr. Tom Alyea said that the lunch sack was found on the fifth floor and brought up to the sixth floor

3. There is no compelling evidence tying the chicken lunch remains (or the Dr. Pepper bottle) to Mr. Williams

4. There is no compelling evidence that the chicken lunch remains (or the Dr. Pepper) were even consumed on 11/22

5. Mr. Rowland recalled that, at or about the time he noticed the 'elderly Negro' in the SN window and the man with the weapon at the sixth-floor southwest window, he noticed either two or three people in the pair of windows directly below the SN window: either two-black-people-and-one-white-man, or just two black people. Messrs. Norman & Jarman were still down on the street ca. 12:15, so Mr. Rowland's recollection puts two black people other than them (and possibly a white man too) on the fifth floor some 15 minutes prior to the assassination


 

[Alan Ford]

But I believe that BRW did see someone on the sixth floor and that someone was a figure of authority  ( a man dressed in khaki clothes like a deputy sheriff ) who reminded him that the employees had been informed that the sixth floor was closed during lunch period and threatened to get him fired if he didn't leave immediately.....and forget that he had seen anybody on the sixth floor.

Yep, something like this. No way would it have been left to blind chance that the sixth floor would be clear of employees at the time of the motorcade

[John Iacoletti]

Robert Jackson took a photo of the window moments after the assassination because he saw the rifle.

Speaking of comedy gold…

Let’s see this Bob Jackson photo. Do you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself?