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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Umbrella Man: Suspicious
« Reply #147 on: August 12, 2022, 05:16:35 PM »
You know the answer.  Do you just want to go round and round about it?  Markham saw the shooting.  To fire a gun, you have to "pull the trigger."  In addition, as I pointed out before we go down this rabbit hole, numerous witnesses identified Oswald at the scene at the moment of the shooting with a gun in his hand.  No other person with a gun in their hand was seen.  On planet Earth, and not down the pedantic contrarian rabbit hole, this can be described as seeing the shooter.   Unless you think the shooter was the Invisible Man.  Foks in Ford's Theatre heard a gunshot, looked in the direction it came from to see John Wilkes Booth holding a gun at Lincolns' head.  What logical inference can be drawn from this situation?  Why would anyone take issue with the conclusion that multiple witnesses saw the shooter (i.e. the only person holding a gun at the moment of the shooting)?  This is just typical contrarian nonsense to deflect from the evidence.  Multiple witnesses place LHO at the scene of the Tippit shooting with a gun in his hand.  Oswald was arrested a short distance away, after resisting arrest, with a gun and the same two brands of ammo used in the murder.  It's a literal slam dunk of guilt.


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Re: Umbrella Man: Suspicious
« Reply #148 on: August 12, 2022, 07:36:23 PM »
More “Richard Smith” BS. First of all, Acquilla Clemons described a different person with a gun in his hand. Second of all, the witnesses that picked Oswald did so from unfair, biased lineups, or by being shown a single mugshot of Oswald months later. Third of all, only one brand of ammo was (allegedly) found on Oswald’s person (hours after he was already arrested and searched), and Remington and Winchester bullets were by far the most common .38 ammo. This is like making a big deal about Oswald drinking a Coca-Cola instead of an RC Cola.

MOST of all:
Dr Pepper was Oswald's choice, not RC Cola. Or Coca-Cola
There was a Dr Pepper machine outside the Domino Room
Yet Oswald winds up on the second floor with a Coke instead

SECONDLY
This particular image uses characters that mimic Oswald's 'type'
(Someone here described Oswald as 'shabby')



THIRDLY
Did anyone report seeing anything AC said she saw?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Umbrella Man: Suspicious
« Reply #149 on: August 12, 2022, 08:38:26 PM »
Yet another “Richard Smith” lie. .38s do not “literally smoke”.

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Re: Umbrella Man: Suspicious
« Reply #150 on: August 12, 2022, 08:39:44 PM »
Like clown-boy knows what soft drink was “Oswald’s choice”.

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Re: Umbrella Man: Suspicious
« Reply #151 on: August 12, 2022, 09:20:40 PM »
Mr Chapman usurps all and claims the original formulation of the word ambush re Nov 22  ::)
Actually...Officer Tippit was not ambushed per se. No one was hiding behind a tree or bush.
The policeman [according to Ms Markham] was in full view of his assailant.
Further...according to her testimony....Officer Tippit probably knew his attacker.
We can most likely get more word nourishment from a pencil eraser.

Ambush = Surprise attack

Officer Tippit was not ambushed per se. No one was hiding behind a tree or bush.
_He was ambushed per revolver. And Oswald was hiding behind his guile.

The policeman [according to Ms Markham] was in full view of his assailant.
_ That's usually how surprise-attacks work

Further...according to her testimony....Officer Tippit probably knew his attacker.
_ You wouldn't just happen to be trying to turn Markham's 'neighbourly cop' thang into something sinister, now would you?

Finally, Tippit was indeed ambushed: He moved into a position that left him with, realistically, no real cover at all. IOW he wasn't expecting an attack. Pretty sure he would be surprised at what ensued.

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Re: Umbrella Man: Suspicious
« Reply #152 on: August 12, 2022, 09:29:04 PM »
Like clown-boy knows what soft drink was “Oswald’s choice”.

Where did you come up with RC Cola
I saw no references to that re Oswald.
But plenty to Oswald and Dr P.
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Re: Umbrella Man: Suspicious
« Reply #153 on: August 12, 2022, 09:53:49 PM »
With some police shootings of minorities, it's the opposite. An invisible "gun" is "seen" in the hand of the compliant "suspect" by a racist officer, then after "appropriate measures" (learned in so-called "training"), the now-dead suspect's "gun" is no longer seen.

I'm not seeing the relevance to the Tippit situation.  Oswald was white.  The only policeman at the scene was killed by him.  The shooter obviously had a gun.  In the course of human history, there have been such situations as you describe, but so what in this context?  Point being that if a witness hears a gunshot and immediately looks in the direction of the shooting to see one man with a gun next to the victim it's accurate to say that they witnessed the shooting.  There was no one else at the Tippit shooting with a gun.  No one other than the person with the gun could have committed the act.  Multiple witnesses identified Oswald as the "shooter" via his possession of the gun at the scene of the shooting.   Marham saw him commit the act.  Only a pedantic CT contrarian would split hairs about characterizing these witnesses as seeing Oswald literally pull the trigger.    No one saw John Wilkes Booth pull the trigger to kill Lincoln.  They heard the gun shot, looked in that direction, and saw Booth with the gun.  No one in their right mind would ever suggest there is doubt that these witnesses had seen the shooter.