The Position of the Bolt on the MC

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2022, 11:21:45 PM »
Oswald the Dolt shot-his-bolt* four times that day

1) Boom>Click-click
2) Boom>Click-click
3) Boom>Click-click

The 4th came @ the movies when he tried to shoot more cops

*shot-his-bolt: Do all within one's power; exhaust one's resources or capabilities

Get outta here, Chappie.....  This thread is WAAAAAAAY over yer mental ability.

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2022, 12:20:30 AM »
This pic from the Alyea footage shows the moment Day has turned to Fritz who is yet to reach for the bolt handle.
I believe the red arrow picks out the bolt handle in the "unlatched" position that is seen more clearly in other pictures posted:



I believe this bolt handle was in the "unlatched" position when it was picked up because it appears to be in this same position before Fritz takes out his handkerchief and reaches for the bolt handle.

Offline James Hackerott

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2022, 01:06:07 AM »
Here are three views that might help.




Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2022, 01:14:20 AM »
Here are three views that might help.




I don't know how you've managed to achieve the clarity in these images but it is really impressive.


Offline James Hackerott

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2022, 01:28:31 AM »
The Lost JFK Tapes DVD, screen captures.
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2022, 01:31:53 AM »
This pic from the Alyea footage shows the moment Day has turned to Fritz who is yet to reach for the bolt handle.
I believe the red arrow picks out the bolt handle in the "unlatched" position that is seen more clearly in other pictures posted:



I believe this bolt handle was in the "unlatched" position when it was picked up because it appears to be in this same position before Fritz takes out his handkerchief and reaches for the bolt handle.

I agree Dan,  Nobody touched that bolt handle from the time Day picked the carcano up FROM THE FLOOR  until Fritz slid the bolt back and the live round dropped out,......  The bolt is in the unlatched position in Alyea's film because the yokel who hid the rifle didn't know that the live cartridge had to be fed up to the bolt by the cartridge elevator pushing it up into the annular space on the face of the bolt. ( NOTE:....  If that live round had been the last cartridge in the clip the elevator would have been in contact with it, and when the three previous cartridges were fire that elevator would have scratched the live round, but there was no sign that te live round had been in contact with the elevator. )

The yokel simply dropped the live round into the chamber and then couldn't get the bolt closed and latched, so he left it just as it is seen in the Alyea film. 

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2022, 01:41:04 AM »
I agree Dan,  Nobody touched that bolt handle from the time Day picked the carcano up FROM THE FLOOR  until Fritz slid the bolt back and the live round dropped out,......  The bolt is in the unlatched position in Alyea's film because the yokel who hid the rifle didn't know that the live cartridge had to be fed up to the bolt by the cartridge elevator pushing it up into the annular space on the face of the bolt. ( NOTE:....  If that live round had been the last cartridge in the clip the elevator would have been in contact with it, and when the three previous cartridges were fire that elevator would have scratched the live round, but there was no sign that te live round had been in contact with the elevator. )

The yokel simply dropped the live round into the chamber and then couldn't get the bolt closed and latched, so he left it just as it is seen in the Alyea film.

For argument's sake, let' just say there was four rounds in the clip, three had been fired, why couldn't the fourth, live round be in the firing chamber? Because the elevator never scratched the live round? Is that known for certain?