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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Progress... Have we made any ?.....
« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2022, 08:32:43 PM »
The motorcade turned off of Main onto Houston at 12:29 but it turned onto Main from Harwood at 12:22 or 12:23.

12:20-21: "About to cross Live Oak" (They're still on Harwood, about three blocks north of Main)

12:22: "Escort drop back, go read slow speed now. Approaching Main." (Harwood and Main are eleven blocks from Dealey Plaza and the motorcade becomes slowed by the crowd)

12:24 (est.): "Just crossing Ervay Street" (Transcript doesn't specify a time; they're on Main, two blocks from Harwood)

12:25: "Crossing Lamar now." (On Main, four blocks from Dealey Plaza)

12:28: "Just crossing Market Street." (On Main, two blocks from Dealey Plaza)

Mr. BALL - How long did you stand there?
Mr. JARMAN - Well, until about 12:20, between 12:20 and 12:25.

Representative FORD - This was about what time?
Mr. JARMAN - That was about 12:25 or 12:28.
Representative FORD - You got off the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.

Mr. JARMAN - That was about 12:25 or 12:28.
Representative FORD - You got off the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.

Junior Jarman and Harold Norman walked by the first floor lunch room on their way to the elevator to take them to the 5th floor.   Lee Oswald was in that lunchroom and he saw them walk by.  Several witnesses on the street below, saw a man who was wearing a light colored shirt behind a sixth floor window at the time that the motorcade was approaching  Dealey Plaza. This was at the same time that Lee Oswald who was wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt was eating lunch in the first flor lunchroom and saw Jarman and Norman walk by. 

Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2022, 10:32:58 PM »
 

That's nice. And I'm betting it doesn't matter one iota to you that Oswald's shirt appeared light when in sunlight.

You're showing your desperation ..... In trying to change the color of Lee's shirt, and his location at 12:28....

Do you realize how foolish you look Jerry?......   

Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2022, 11:57:47 PM »
The question is, how did Norman and Jarman hear that the motorcade was on Main. Because the police radio doesn’t say they’re on Main until after the dispatcher says “12:28”.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2022, 05:41:59 AM by John Iacoletti »

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« Reply #87 on: July 20, 2022, 01:04:35 AM »
 

That's nice. And I'm betting it doesn't matter one iota to you that Oswald's shirt appeared light when in sunlight.

There are times, as far as I'm concerned, where LNers start to come across as members of the Tinfoil Brigade, and this is one of them.
To show washed out photos (or in this case graphics) to demonstrate how a reddish-brown shirt can be made to look almost white by sunlight is utterly ridiculous. Sunlight highlights the exact colour, it doesn't wash it out. All you have to do is step out of your bedroom/basement/safe room and into the open air to see this in action. No doubt a colour will change shade in shadow, but to try and insist everything becomes almost white in daylight is ridiculous and anyone peddling this nonsense needs to have a word with themselves.

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« Reply #88 on: July 20, 2022, 01:12:40 AM »
The question is, how the Norman and Jarman hear that the motorcade was on Main. Because the police radio doesn’t say they’re on Main until after the dispatcher says “12:28”.

in his WC testimony Norman doesn't state he hears this directly from the police broadcasts.
At 12:22pm it states the motorcade is approaching Main and shortly after this that the motorcade has passed Ervay. Anyone from that area would know the motorcade was on Main before it was specifically stated on the police broadcasts.

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« Reply #89 on: July 20, 2022, 06:24:08 PM »
The question is, how did Norman and Jarman hear that the motorcade was on Main. Because the police radio doesn’t say they’re on Main until after the dispatcher says “12:28”.

Is this critical??   Perhaps someone nearby had a transistor radio and an AM station was reporting the location of the presidents car?    Of course that's pure speculation....but the fact is ; Jarman knew what time they left the front of the TSBD to go to the 5th floor.   

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« Reply #90 on: July 20, 2022, 09:40:34 PM »
Not critical, but Jerry’s contention that Norman and Jarman entered the building at 12:25 is a result of cherry-picking.