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Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Next to Oswald's Rifle
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2022, 12:47:28 PM »
Dan, your "civited" looks more like "coated" to me.

Hi Dan and Ray, Thank you for your help! I think it says: Hollywood Calif.[for California]; Coated like Ray says; and Optics INC[for incorporated]. Everything else that Dan has looks right, and I cannot read the right bottom stuff either. Thank you both for everything, Sincerely yours, Michael

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Next to Oswald's Rifle
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2022, 12:56:15 PM »


                                          11 - 22 - 63
1940 Made
  In Italy   
                              Dallas

              6.5 CAL   C2766

                  Scope                  4 x 18
                                                                     Coated

Hollywood Calif.

ORDINANCE
   OPTICS INC   
                                                                    JDW
                                                                            [??] too small for me to make out]


I've seen the initials JDW on another photo of the shells being handed over to Vince Drain.
I believe it's an FBI agent called Williams but will have to double check.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Next to Oswald's Rifle
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2022, 02:09:33 PM »


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I believe these pics were taken late on the 22nd, just before Drain took the items off to Washington. They were taken by SA John Doyle Williams. They were released with the cover sheet description below but I can't find a reference to the hand drawn picture next to the rifle:


Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Next to Oswald's Rifle
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2022, 09:22:50 PM »


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I believe these pics were taken late on the 22nd, just before Drain took the items off to Washington. They were taken by SA John Doyle Williams. They were released with the cover sheet description below but I can't find a reference to the hand drawn picture next to the rifle:



I believe these pics were taken late on the 22nd, just before Drain took the items off to Washington. They were taken by SA John Doyle Williams. They were released with the cover sheet description below but I can't find a reference to the hand drawn picture next to the rifle:

I'm sure that your correct, Dan.... Yo da man, Dan!! :-*.   

That photo has always intrigued me.... What was the purpose of the sketch of the man in the photo??

The photo had to have been taken AFTER Lee Oswald was in the custody of the DPD, so if that sketch was supposed to be of the owner of the rifle, it wouldn't have made sense to pose a sketch,  because they could have used a photo of Lee and there would have been no need for a sketch...  ( the sketch doesn't look like Lee Oswald anyway.  )  Sooooo  WHO is this guy???  As Michael  said the sketch has a very strong resemblance to  " the "Spanish boy " ( Cuban ?) .   

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Next to Oswald's Rifle
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2022, 02:12:59 AM »


                                          11 - 22 - 63
1940 Made
  In Italy   
                              Dallas

              6.5 CAL   C2766

                  Scope                  4 x 18
                                                                     Coated

Hollywood Calif.

ORDINANCE
   OPTICS INC   
                                                                    JDW
                                                                            [??] too small for me to make out]


I've seen the initials JDW on another photo of the shells being handed over to Vince Drain.
I believe it's an FBI agent called Williams but will have to double check.

What do you make of the difference between the numeral "2" in the photo .....  In the upper numeral the "2" looks like it was originally a numeral "1" but it was altered to make the 1 look like a numeral 2.  Notice the "2" in the rifle serial number C2766.

 

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Next to Oswald's Rifle
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2022, 02:47:27 AM »
I believe these pics were taken late on the 22nd, just before Drain took the items off to Washington. They were taken by SA John Doyle Williams. They were released with the cover sheet description below but I can't find a reference to the hand drawn picture next to the rifle:

I'm sure that your correct, Dan.... Yo da man, Dan!! :-*.   

That photo has always intrigued me.... What was the purpose of the sketch of the man in the photo??

The photo had to have been taken AFTER Lee Oswald was in the custody of the DPD, so if that sketch was supposed to be of the owner of the rifle, it wouldn't have made sense to pose a sketch,  because they could have used a photo of Lee and there would have been no need for a sketch...  ( the sketch doesn't look like Lee Oswald anyway.  )  Sooooo  WHO is this guy???  As Michael  said the sketch has a very strong resemblance to  " the "Spanish boy " ( Cuban ?) .   

The photo had to have been taken AFTER Lee Oswald was in the custody of the DPD,

If the photo of the rifle was taken around the same time as the one of the shells it had to be taken some time between 10:00PM and 11:45PM on the night of the assassination.
Note in the pic of the shells - the two hulls are a darker colour than the live round. The darker colour is caused by the dusting powder Day used to look for prints but the live round is clean, even though Day testified to having used the black powder on this as well.

Oswald had been in custody for hours by this point and was already being viewed as the sole assassin of JFK so the "artist's sketch" is a mystery indeed. As I say, I can find no reference to it as part of the evidence being taken by the FBI but it is there in the photo, so what gives with that? It really is baffling.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Next to Oswald's Rifle
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2022, 02:50:13 AM »
What do you make of the difference between the numeral "2" in the photo .....  In the upper numeral the "2" looks like it was originally a numeral "1" but it was altered to make the 1 look like a numeral 2.  Notice the "2" in the rifle serial number C2766.

I don't think there's too much to it. SA Williams wasn't the greatest when it came to writing big numerals, although he does do a far better job of it in the picture with the shells.