Jim Leavelle Misremembers

[Tim Nickerson]

Hi Tim, I am happy that you are doing fine. I am fine too. On Mr. Barry Ernest's wordpress page he says this:
 "William Shelley and Billy Lovelady, of course, are the most critical since the Commission used their words to discredit Vicki.  In her testimony, Vicki is quoted as saying she saw those two on the first floor when she arrived there within a minute after the assassination. But how could that be if she came down that fast and both men testified they remained outside for several minutes following the shooting?  Vicki contends she did not say she saw them, and the Shelley/Lovelady passage was inserted into a later transcript of her testimony to make her appear wrong. Certainly the Commission’s unstudied conclusion that Vicki was confused and descended later than she thought avoided having to explain why she didn’t see or hear anyone on the same stairs when, if she was indeed accurate with her timing, Oswald should have been there."
"James Leavelle interviewed Vicki on the night of February 17, 1964, under suspicious circumstances. He told her, for instance, he was there because a fire at police headquarters had destroyed Vicki’s earlier file. Despite previous questioning by several different authorities, this was the first time—now three months after the assassination—in which Vicki mentions the names Shelley and Lovelady."
"After descending the stairs Vicki went out the rear door, then in a few moments returned to the front entrance.  There, she noticed Joe Molina. Since Molina testified he only briefly remained outside before going back to work, Vicki’s sighting of him lends support for her swift descent, exit, and return to the building.  Molina, who was questioned late in the afternoon that day, should have been asked about Vicki since, during her earlier session, she specifically brought up his name, and Molina was being questioned about who he saw while standing outside. (Also at the front entrance, Vicki spotted and actually conversed with another employee, Avery Davis, who likely was spared the same fate as those above since she was never examined by the Commission.) The evidence remains consistent with Vicki coming down the stairs exactly as she testified.  Therefore, if she really did say in her testimony that she saw Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor, then those men lied under oath for some reason about remaining outside. But if she really didn’t say she saw them, then her testimony was falsified. That’s why the first-generation stenotype tape is so important." The stenotype tape of that particular day is missing. Sincerely yours, Michael

Vicki mentioned the encounter with Lovelady and Shelly twice during her deposition. She was wrong in stating decades later that the encounter was inserted in the transcript of her testimony. She viewed one of the pages that has the encounter on it. The encounter with Lovelady and Shelly rules out an early descent by her. Even without that encounter, an early descent by her is highly improbable due to the fact that she never met Baker and Truly on her way down.  I mean, think about that. The story about Leavelle lying to her is not believable.

[Michael Welch]

Hi Tim. Of course I am going to disagree with you. Detective Leavelle took a lot of statements, and he was very smart. I really think he knew what was needed to help frame Oswald, and he wasn't afraid to do it. According to Barry Ernest, Officer Marrion Baker, Miss Sandra Styles, and Miss Vicki Adams all said that they did not see Bill Shelley or Billy Lovelady on the first floor. They all only saw a large black man on the first floor. My best guess is they all three saw Mr. Troy West. Sincerely yours, Michael

"Oddly, Armstrong completely ignores the one man all three individuals—Miss Adams, Miss Styles, and Officer Baker—independently told me they noticed near those elevators: a large black man. That is the only person Vicki said she saw and spoke to, not Shelley or Lovelady. That is the only person Miss Styles observed, not Shelley or Lovelady or the police. And that is the same man Baker told me he was about to confront, a la Oswald seconds later on the second floor, until Truly told him the black man was an employee."

In this Darnell frame, it appears that both Vicki and Sandra have made it down the stairs and out the back of the TSBD; and are headed back in the front entrance of the TSBD just after Marrion Baker has gone in. They are the two ladies on the right side a few steps up under the lady with her right arm shielding her eyes[Pauline Sanders]. Vicki said she saw Joe Molina on the front steps, and he is still there on the right side in the white shirt one step down from the top.

[John Iacoletti]

Never happened.

And you know this how?  Because he was an "honorable man"?  Sounds circular.  Victoria Adams was an honorable woman.

[Dan O'meara]

Vicki mentioned the encounter with Lovelady and Shelly twice during her deposition. She was wrong in stating decades later that the encounter was inserted in the transcript of her testimony. She viewed one of the pages that has the encounter on it. The encounter with Lovelady and Shelly rules out an early descent by her. Even without that encounter, an early descent by her is highly improbable due to the fact that she never met Baker and Truly on her way down.  I mean, think about that. The story about Leavelle lying to her is not believable.

In his HSCA interview, Lovelady states he did not re-enter the TSBD building for 20 to 25 minutes.
This explains why he is filmed outside the building by both Hughes and Martin some 10 - 15 minutes after the assassination.
As such he could not have been at the bottom of the stairs when Adams and Styles descended and it would appear that Adams' statements to this effect have been falsified.
It is an unequivocal example of the corruption involved in the WC investigation.
Lovelady's clumsy blurting out of Vicki's name during his testimony is a clear case of pre-coaching specifically designed to create a specific narrative.

[Walt Cakebread]

In his HSCA interview, Lovelady states he did not re-enter the TSBD building for 20 to 25 minutes.
This explains why he is filmed outside the building by both Hughes and Martin some 10 - 15 minutes after the assassination.
As such he could not have been at the bottom of the stairs when Adams and Styles descended and it would appear that Adams' statements to this effect have been falsified.
It is an unequivocal example of the corruption involved in the WC investigation.
Lovelady's clumsy blurting out of Vicki's name during his testimony is a clear case of pre-coaching specifically designed to create a specific narrative.

"Lovelady's clumsy blurting out of Vicki's name during his testimony is a clear case of pre-coaching specifically designed to create a specific narrative."

Yes, you're sooo  right....   LBJ's "Special select committee" had an agenda  ..... And it wasn't to deliver the truth to the American people.  ( LBJ referred to the American people as " piss ants".....

[John Iacoletti]

Lovelady's clumsy blurting out of Vicki's name during his testimony is a clear case of pre-coaching specifically designed to create a specific narrative.

Absolutely. And I think they “pre-interviewed” every witness off the record.

[Dan O'meara]

Lovelady's admission that he didn't re-enter the TSBD building for 20 to 25 minutes is of immense interest (to me at least)
It demonstrates Vicki Adams' WC testimony was indeed altered, which she insisted was the case to Barry Ernest. The enormity of this, in regards to the integrity of the WC hearings, cannot be under-estimated.
It removes the only obstacle in respect of Adams' insistence that she and Styles rushed from the 4th floor window within seconds of the shooting, which has the knock-on effect of placing Dorothy Garner in the area of the starwell, in a perfect position to see Oswald supposedly rushing down the stairs for his rendezvous with Truly and Baker. But she doesn't see Oswald rushing by because it never happened and is just one piece of evidence supporting the view that Oswald never took the shots that day.
Also of interest (TMAL) are the lies Lovelady and Shelley tell in respect to their movements in the immediate aftermath of the assassination. In their same-day affidavits both men 'lie by omission'. Their statements give the unavoidable impression that immediately after the shooting they both re-entered the building through the main entrance. There is no mention of them walking to the west of the building, watching the activity around the rail road yard then entering the building through the little known and permanently unguarded west door.
In their WC testimonies both men tell exactly the same lie when they state they see Truly and Baker approaching the bottom of the TSBD steps at least 3 minutes after the shooting. It is a brazen and easily refuted lie. The WC knew damn well Truly and Baker were at the steps seconds after the last shot but never challenged Lovelady or Shelley on this blatant falsehood.
And then we find out that Lovelady didn't re-enter the building for 20 to 25 minutes.

Why were they lying about their movements and what were they trying to achieve with these lies.
If they were just innocent men going about their business why do they need to lie and what are they covering up.
My reading is that they are trying to cover their tracks regarding what they were doing at the west door.
In their same-day affidavits both men completely omit that they were at the west door at all. It is the immediate aftermath of the assassination of the president of the United states and they are being asked to give an account of their movements but they lie about it. They leave out an important aspect of their movements to give the impression they re-entered the building through the front entrance and not the west door.
The unbelievable lie both men tell the WC about how long it took Truly and Baker (3 minutes) to reach the steps, at first seems bizarre and pointless. The only effect it has is to delay how long it apparently took for them to reach the west door. It is my belief they were at the west door within one to two minutes after the assassination.
Lovelady's HSCA admission leaves us with this final picture - in the immediate aftermath of the shooting both men make their way to the west of the building. Shelley enters the building at this point but Lovelady does not, he is filmed outside the front of the building by Martin and Hughes approximately 10 to 15 minutes after the assassination.
I believe Shelley is back near the front entrance by the time Sawyer arrives @12:34 PM but what is Lovelady doing? Why do they go to the west door? Why do they split up? Why do they go to extraorinary lengths to cover this up?