Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?

[Richard Smith]

Why don't you lay out the exact scenario that you are suggesting regarding chain of custody

I already have, but I will do again, after you start answering questions... Fair enough?

There is a revolver in evidence.

Yes, there is

The DPD officers indicate that they took a revolver from Oswald upon his arrest.

Name the officers who said that they took a revolver from Oswald?

No DPD officer has ever suggested this is not the revolver in evidence.

Just how many DPD officers had sufficient knowledge about the revolver to make such a suggestion?

No other revolver has ever been associated with Oswald via any means.

So what? Did they look for another revolver? Did they look for the shop in Fort Worth where Oswald said he bought his revolver?

So you won't even articulate what it is that you are suggesting when you say there is a "chain of custody" issue?  LOL.  You have indicated that you are not claiming that gun was planted. You have also implied it was not taken from Oswald.  It's left to our imagination then what you are suggesting here and you won't provide any insight.  Multiple witnesses place a gun in Oswald's possession at the Tippit scene and then in the TT.  The DPD confirm that a gun was taken from Oswald upon arrest and placed into evidence.  That gun has a serial number that confirms it is the same gun ordered using an alias associated with Oswald with a mailing address to his PO Box.  You weakly suggest that the DPD needed to "look" for another revolver when they had the murder weapon taken directly from Oswald.  They did search all his possessions and found none.  In addition, official investigations and unofficial investigations over the last six decades have not turned up an iota of evidence that associates Oswald with any other revolver.  What level of investigation would satisfy you that Oswald possessed no other pistol if the most investigated case in criminal history - both officially and unofficially via numerous CTer "researchers" - has never found a scintilla of evidence that suggests Oswald owned any other revolver at the time of his arrest?  This is just another weak attempt to suggest fake doubt by applying an impossible standard of proof to the facts.

[Martin Weidmann]

So you won't even articulate what it is that you are suggesting when you say there is a "chain of custody" issue?  LOL.  You have indicated that you are not claiming that gun was planted. You have also implied it was not taken from Oswald.  It's left to our imagination then what you are suggesting here and you won't provide any insight.  Multiple witnesses place a gun in Oswald's possession at the Tippit scene and then in the TT.  The DPD confirm that a gun was taken from Oswald upon arrest and placed into evidence.  That gun has a serial number that confirms it is the same gun ordered using an alias associated with Oswald with a mailing address to his PO Box.  You weakly suggest that the DPD needed to "look" for another revolver when they had the murder weapon taken directly from Oswald.  They did search all his possessions and found none.  In addition, official investigations and unofficial investigations over the last six decades have not turned up an iota of evidence that associates Oswald with any other revolver.  What level of investigation would satisfy you that Oswald possessed no other pistol if the most investigated case in criminal history - both officially and unofficially via numerous CTer "researchers" - has never found a scintilla of evidence that suggests Oswald owned any other revolver at the time of his arrest?  This is just another weak attempt to suggest fake doubt by applying an impossible standard of proof to the facts.

Talk about weak. What a load of BS!

Where can I find the names of the officers who indicated that they took a revolver from Oswald?

You can't name them because there aren't any.

It's left to our imagination then what you are suggesting here

No. I'm pretty sure that most people understand prefectly. You're just not one of them.

The DPD confirm that a gun was taken from Oswald upon arrest and placed into evidence.

Really? Are you sure about that? Name some names of people that confirm that and be precise because this "The DPD" crap is growing old.

You weakly suggest that the DPD needed to "look" for another revolver when they had the murder weapon taken directly from Oswald.  They did search all his possessions and found none.

So, to determine the origin of the grey jacket the FBI visits over 400 dry cleaners in the greater Dallas and New Orleans areas, but when it comes to the revolver (which according to Fritz, Oswald said he bought in Fort Worth) they only search "all his possessions". Do you even understand how wacky that sounds?

In addition, official investigations and unofficial investigations over the last six decades have not turned up an iota of evidence that associates Oswald with any other revolver.  What level of investigation would satisfy you that Oswald possessed no other pistol if the most investigated case in criminal history - both officially and unofficially via numerous CTer "researchers" - has never found a scintilla of evidence that suggests Oswald owned any other revolver at the time of his arrest?

What a pathetic appeal to perceived authority. It doesn't matter one bit that all the official and unofficial investigations failed to do their job. The fact that they didn't find another revolver (because they did not look for one) still doesn't justify the conclusion that the revolver now in evidence must belong to Oswald! But, I'm sure, that will never get through your thick skull.

Now, let's get back to basics, shall we; which DPD officer has said that he took a revolver from Oswald at the Texas Theater and how did Gerald Hill know that the evidence he placed into evidence several hours later belonged to Oswald?

Without answering these two very basic questions, you can place as many idiotic rants as you like, but I won't respond to them anymore.

[John Iacoletti]

That’s all “Richard” does — rant and spread misinformation. Now that he’s humiliated himself once again, can we get back to Bill’s evidence that “‘602’ was Butler attempting to let dispatch know that they were leaving the scene en route to the hospital”? I’m sure we would all like to see it.

[Richard Smith]

Talk about weak. What a load of BS!

Where can I find the names of the officers who indicated that they took a revolver from Oswald?

You can't name them because there aren't any.

It's left to our imagination then what you are suggesting here

No. I'm pretty sure that most people understand prefectly. You're just not one of them.

Can you direct me to these "people" who understand what point you are trying to make about "chain of custody" since you refuse to articulate it?  Would they include MIA Otto and Roger Collins?  If so, can you conjure them up?  And now there are no officers who can confirm that they took a revolver from Oswald!!!  I knew you were a contrarian but that is bizarre.  Let me guess. This statement has some hidden semantic meaning that we are supposed to "figure out"?  You know that several officers were present at the arrest.  The revolver can actually be seen being carried out of the TT.  You know that multiple witnesses also confirm that Oswald had a revolver at the Tippit scene.  Why this silly Inspector Clouseau routine?

[Jerry Freeman]

... can we get back to Bill’s evidence that “‘602’ was Butler attempting to let dispatch know that they were leaving the scene en route to the hospital”? I’m sure we would all like to see it.

We won't. Like dozens of other dead end speculation that is all it is.
The driver of Oswald's ambulance that following Sunday testified but not Tippit's driver [who may have shed light on the question of whether he may have survived some miraculous resuscitation should they get him to Methodist with due promptness]
The Tippit trip would not have taken more than 5 minutes notwithstanding.
In other threads the arrival time at Methodist was noted as rather sketchy---



1:06 becomes 1:15 which subsequently became 1:25 and so on

[John Iacoletti]

“Richard” is intent on embarrassing himself. He’s like the boxer who keeps getting up after a nine count.

Go ahead, “Richard”. Name the officers who confirm that a revolver was taken from Oswald.

[Richard Smith]

Our resident contrarians remind me of Inspector Clouseau:  "I believe everything and I believe nothing. I suspect everyone and I suspect no one."  In which they imply over and over and over that the evidence is faked/planted but then deny they have suggested a conspiracy.  It is just so.  There is no explanation.  Not even an attempt.  Just shout "chain of custody" and Oswald's revolver vanishes.  Disregard that Oswald confirmed that he had a gun, that DPD officers took it from him, that there are pictures of it being carried from the TT and that there are documents that the same gun in evidence was ordered using an alias associated with Oswald and sent to his PO Box.  But then deny that they are suggesting the evidence is fake.  Or anyone has suggested a conspiracy (ie strawman).  Refuse to state what exactly they are suggesting.  Round and round we go down the rabbit hole.