Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?

[Martin Weidmann]

Correct.  Bowles said the dispatch clocks could sometimes be off by as much as two minutes ether way.  So then you agree that Bowley got on the squad car radio sometime between 1:15 and 1:19.  Is this correct, you agree with this?

If this conversation is going to be one where you ignore and do not answer my questions and reply only with more questions of your own, it will not be a long discussion.

I asked you earlier;

Bowley begins his call on the squad car radio at 1:17:40, as opposed to 1:17:00.

I take it this means that you are going with the first 1:19 call as being the right one, is that correct? What is the basis for this conclusion?

Please answer the question

[Martin Weidmann]

Also, you skipped past this:

This matters.  It's directly related to when Callaway would have started his "good hard run".

Why did you say that Callaway said the fleeing gunman ran down the alley?

It is an erroneous statement from three years ago. I probably just misremembered.
It has nothing to do with our discussion now and it most certainly has nothing to do with when Callaway helped to load Tippit in the ambulance.

[Martin Weidmann]

Correct.  Bowles said the dispatch clocks could sometimes be off by as much as two minutes ether way.  So then you agree that Bowley got on the squad car radio sometime between 1:15 and 1:19.  Is this correct, you agree with this?

Bowles said a little bit more than that. And no, I don't agree that Bowley (in real time) got on the radio between 1:15 and 1:19.

Is it now your intention to reconstruct and debate the entire timeline instead of only when Callaway helped load Tippit in to the ambulance?

[Bill Brown]

Bowley begins his call on the squad car radio at 1:17:40, as opposed to 1:17:00.

I take it this means that you are going with the first 1:19 call as being the right one, is that correct? What is the basis for this conclusion?

Why can't both transmissions mentioning 1:19 be correct?  Are you saying that the two transmissions mentioning 1:19 are over a minute apart from each other?

Butler (the ambulance driver) radios in with Code 6 and almost immediately you hear the dispatcher reply to Butler with a 10-4 and gives the verbal timestamp of 1:19.  This is the first 1:19 you're referring to.

Then you have Owens asking dispatch for the address of the shooting.  Dispatch replies to Owens with the address of 501 E. Tenth.  I assume they had that mistaken address because Mary Wright was the first to call the police and that was her address.

Then you have Butler (ambulance) again with the Code 6.

Next are Poe and Jez asking for verification of the address and dispatch replies that they have two different addresses.

Owens notifies dispatch that he is en route.  Dispatch replies 10-4 to Owens.

Then the 2nd ambulance notifies dispatch that they are en route.  Dispatch replies with a 10-4 to that ambulance.  Dispatch then gives the verbal 1:19 time stamp.

[Bill Brown]

Except he didn't go by the office at all, but instead, according to Callaway, ran down an alley halfway down Patton, between 10th and Jefferson.

This matters.  It's directly related to when Callaway would have started his "good hard run".

Why did you say that Callaway said the fleeing gunman ran down the alley?

It is an erroneous statement from three years ago. I probably just misremembered.
It has nothing to do with our discussion now and it most certainly has nothing to do with when Callaway helped to load Tippit in the ambulance.

More than erroneous.  You made an outlandish statement.  Callaway never said such a thing.  But okay.

And YES, it does matter.  It's directly related to when Callaway would have began his "good hard run".

But that's fine.  You've admitted your error and I can move on.

[Martin Weidmann]

More than erroneous.  You made an outlandish statement.  Callaway never said such a thing.  But okay.

And YES, it does matter.  It's directly related to when Callaway would have began his "good hard run".

But that's fine.  You've admitted your error and I can move on.

Up to your old tricks already?

 

[Martin Weidmann]

Why can't both transmissions mentioning 1:19 be correct?  Are you saying that the two transmissions mentioning 1:19 are over a minute apart from each other?

Butler (the ambulance driver) radios in with Code 6 and almost immediately you hear the dispatcher reply to Butler with a 10-4 and gives the verbal timestamp of 1:19.  This is the first 1:19 you're referring to.

Then you have Owens asking dispatch for the address of the shooting.  Dispatch replies to Owens with the address of 501 E. Tenth.  I assume they had that mistaken address because Mary Wright was the first to call the police and that was her address.

Then you have Butler (ambulance) again with the Code 6.

Next are Poe and Jez asking for verification of the address and dispatch replies that they have two different addresses.

Owens notifies dispatch that he is en route.  Dispatch replies 10-4 to Owens.

Then the 2nd ambulance notifies dispatch that they are en route.  Dispatch replies with a 10-4 to that ambulance.  Dispatch then gives the verbal 1:19 time stamp.

Why can't both transmissions mentioning 1:19 be correct?

Oh, they are both correct, in the context of the DPD radio times, as the actual sound recording shows they happened 40 seconds apart.

I just wanted to establish when exactly you believe 1:19 actually started and you still haven't answered that question.

Did the first 1:19 call mark the beginning of that minute, yes or no?