Colors of Blue and Gold

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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #420 on: October 09, 2023, 03:06:27 PM »
Find some way to end the conflict. Like Poland should have found some way to end the conflict when Germany and Russia invaded in 1939. Not really practicable advice when an enemy just wants to wipe you our and occupy you.

What is practicable is more spending that matches and more than matches Russia's spending in this war. This is easily achievable. Russia's economy strength is a joke. And this prevents Russia from resuming its western drive, this time through the Baltic States. And discourages China from attacking Taiwan. And every dollar spent on Ukraine is much more efficiently used than the money we spend on our military.

Need to cut government expenses? Fine. Cut our spending on the U. S. Military. And keep up the spending on Ukraine. Those dollars are much more effectively spent.

Should Ukraine continue to suffer? That decision should be left to the Ukrainians, and not any poster on this forum who pretends to care about them but don't. If they want to quit, if they want to try their luck living under the Russians, i won't want to force them to do otherwise. But as long as they want to fight, we should support them.

But that decision needs to be made by the Ukrainians. Not by us because some people claim it would be more humane for them to give up.

No one has suggested that Ukraine quit.  If they wish to continue fighting until their country is in complete ruin, that is up to them.  The point is that the US should not bankroll an endless war.  "Europe" has checked out.   The US has already provided Ukraine with three times the entire Russian military budget.  How much is enough?  How long does the war have to go on?  A decade like in Vietnam?  Two decades like in Afghanistan and Iraq?  The public was told in each of those instances that more time and money would result in some positive outcome.  It didn't.  Thousands or millions died senselessly.  Will Ukraine get a better deal next year than they could get today?  In five years?  Ten?  China does not view this as a deterrent to invading Taiwan.  They see the US mired in this conflict and now another in Israel.  They know that the US is stretched thin with all these disasters unfolding and that Old Joe is weak and incompetent.  They are not going to wait for a strong president like Trump. 

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #421 on: November 09, 2023, 06:45:04 PM »

Unwinnable for both sides at this point.

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #422 on: December 05, 2023, 04:01:20 PM »
Top story on Wash. Post regarding how the US and Ukraine have bungled the war.  Who could have guessed?  Old Joe just spent the money for endless war with no clear strategy for winning.  Just as long as it takes.  Why hasn't that worked?  LOL. 

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« Reply #423 on: December 07, 2023, 06:23:18 PM »
So with timing for the funding of the endless war in Ukraine running out and the Dems refusing to budge on the open border as a compromise, the FBI, AG, and Dept. of Homeland Security suddenly decide out of the blue to charge some hapless Russian soldiers with a war crime.  For allegedly making an American who was living in Ukraine dig a ditch and threatening him back in 2022!  Of course, there is no possibility of ever prosecuting this "crime" because they will never gain access to these men.  And they don't want them because it likely doesn't rise to such a crime.  It is only being done now for propaganda purposes to pressure the effort for more funding but imagine if that same standard for a war crime was applied to the US politicians who have waged endless war for decades.  Resulting in millions of dead.  Mostly under false pretenses.  Every modern president except Donald Trump would have been convicted. 

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #424 on: December 13, 2023, 02:32:29 PM »
Another $200 million to Ukraine but still no plan for ending the endless war.  Stalemate will continue indefinitely.  Costing billions of dollars and thousands of lives for no purpose.  When all is said and done, some compromise today would look no different than however the war ends years from now.  The US military contractors are making out like bandits.  Old Joe is concerned with Israel, though.  And warning them to scale down their effort.

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« Reply #425 on: December 22, 2023, 01:39:41 PM »
The leftist press is in full on anti-Israel mode today.  Both the NY Times and Wash Post have briefly paused their non-stop Trump conspiracy attacks with headlines touting the number of deaths in Gaza.  Israel is apparently targeting civilians according to the NY Times.  The Wash Post indicates that 20,000 are dead (with no context).  What of Ukraine?  Nothing.  The war there must go on and on forever but Israel is supposed to standdown.  Hopefully Jewish voters remember how they have been treated by these radical leftists.

Wash Post:
"More than 20,000 dead in Gaza, a historic human toll"

NY Times:
"Israel Bombed Areas Where It Ordered Gaza Civilians to Go, Evidence Shows"

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« Reply #426 on: December 22, 2023, 02:49:05 PM »
Zelensky is following the Biden version of democracy by suspending the upcoming election.  Because he has declared martial law, Zelensky doesn't want the people of Ukraine to be able to select their leader by voting in 2024.  That is what they used to refer to as being a "dictator."  Now he is a warrior for democracy.  Democracy being defined apparently as the ability of one political group to control elections to protect their citizens from themselves by selecting the leader of their own choosing.  Even Lincoln ran for re-election during the Civil War.  But Zelensky apparently can't do that.  Why?  Does he think he will be defeated?  If not, why not have an election?  There are so many lies and intentional omissions from our leftist state armed propaganda media.  No reporting that Zelensky has suspended the election.  Instead we are told this is actually a war to protect democracy.