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Offline Michael Carney

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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2020, 03:52:33 PM »
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What a lot of people don't know is that Hoover was gay. The mob had pictures of Hoover and his boy friend Tolson in very compromising situations, I have seen one of  the pictures. Yes the mob owned Hoover. Hoover provided all the information to the WC so he could cherry pick what the WC saw. He was able to divert the attention away from the mob. Hoover had been seen with Frank Costello at race track.

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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2020, 03:52:33 PM »


Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2020, 04:51:10 PM »
What a lot of people don't know is that Hoover was gay. The mob had pictures of Hoover and his boy friend Tolson in very compromising situations, I have seen one of  the pictures. Yes the mob owned Hoover. Hoover provided all the information to the WC so he could cherry pick what the WC saw. He was able to divert the attention away from the mob. Hoover had been seen with Frank Costello at race track.


The mob ( mafia) did not control Hoover.....  It was a mutual admiration society......

Offline Michael Carney

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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2020, 05:30:37 PM »
Now it would be hard to say what the control the mob had over Hoover but with the pictures the mob had, they controlled what he did with the mob.

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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2020, 08:57:06 PM »
What a lot of people don't know is that Hoover was gay.....
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Except the abwehr, the kgb, the American press, every other gay male, every savvy US politician, every other adult who was paying attention.

Hoover flaunted it, in a "oh yeah, what are you gonna do about it?" intimidating sort of way!

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2020, 09:27:23 PM »
Except the abwehr, the kgb, the American press, every other gay male, every savvy US politician, every other adult who was paying attention.

Hoover flaunted it, in a "oh yeah, what are you gonna do about it?" intimidating sort of way!



This no point in arguing with this guy......  He's a newbie and learned it all on The History channel.....

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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2020, 09:27:23 PM »


Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2020, 09:39:06 PM »
This no point in arguing with this guy......  He's a newbie and learned it all on The History channel.....

Walt, I'm illustrating public perceptions. You assume everyone of the 1920's through the 1970s were clueless idiots.



Too bad they couldn't sit side by side in this one, but Tolson, hands on the chair and staring down adoringly, is certainly not left out.




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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2020, 04:56:50 AM »
All you need to know, copy of a NY state court petition of just six months ago, on Oct. 15, 2019. Dorothy's mother accused Kilgallen's husband, Kollmar at the funeral, Pataky must be ordered by the court to provide a DNA sample because his description of where he was the night Dorothy died is inconsistent. Both Kilgallen's and Kollmar's bodies must exhumed so Cyril Wecht, age 89, can examine them. By page eight, you'll learn the justification for exhuming Kollmar's remains.

Pages one through ten will lure you in further.:
https://www.markshawbooks.com/assets/docs/61758_2019__PETITION__AMENDED__16.pdf

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V. VALIDITY OF DECADES OLD DNA TESTING RESULTS
 
 Recently, the nationally-acclaimed Dr. Cyril Wecht, M.D., J.D., a leading American forensic pathologist and former president of both the American Academy of Forensic Science and the American College of Legal Medicine, who currently heads the board of trustees of the American Board of Legal Medicine, stated to petitioner:
 
I have determined that DNA testing has been  accomplished successfully on embalmed bodies,  although not as long as 50 years. However, it would 
INDEX NO. 61758/2019
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be a legitimate endeavor and if successful from  Dorothy Kilgallen's remains, I would be willing to  perform the post-mortem exam to acquire biological  material for DNA testing.
 
This statement from Dr. Wecht (http://www.cyrilwecht.com/ ), a respected expert in his field who consulted on cases involving Elvis Presley, O. J. Simpson, and Jon Benet Ramsey, provides legitimacy for this petitioner’s quest for the truth, exemplifying the basis for there being no viable reason why a proper DNA sample cannot be retrieved from Dorothy Kilgallen’s and Richard Kollmar’s remains and then be used in comparison with each of these samples and the one taken from Ron Pataky. Despite the time lapse from the date of her death, it is reasonable to believe that because of the disturbing circumstances surrounding the discovery of Kilgallen’s body, the botched autopsy, and the potential that improper embalming and preparation for her funeral may have occurred, DNA could very well still be present on her remains, which means the aged DNA could still be useful as was older DNA in the New York case, People v. Parrilla (see Section VI).  Such circumstances exist in light of the confusing state of affairs, both immediately after Kilgallen’s body was discovered during the wee hours of November 8, 1965, up to, and including when she was buried three days later, with media reports accounting for much of the confusion since the discovery of Kilgallen’s dead body was said to have happened twice, by different people at two different times at her lavish townhouse. Since there was no investigation despite facts pointing to a homicide, including the apparent staged death scene, the confusion then extended to the autopsy performed by Medical Examiner Dr. James Luke on the same day she died. This confusion then extends to Kilgallen’s funeral where family members squabbled over the details of her burial, especially since her mother believed husband Richard was responsible for Kilgallen’s death stating, “You killed my daughter and I will prove it.” This allegation was never investigated. Without question, it was troubling that the Medical Examiner was called from the Brooklyn office, not the Manhattan office nearer to where Kilgallen died. No primary source evidence exists as to why this happened or why Dr. Luke
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appeared at the townhouse, although facts revealed in this Section may shed some light on the matter.

My opinion is that authr Shaw's petition is poorly researched....

The reason is simple. There were problems at that time in NYC borough morgues and attempts were being made to iron them out....

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/04/01/archives/autopsy-report-on-slaying-erred-indicated-a-woman-shot-to-death-had.html
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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2020, 04:56:50 AM »


Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Who Exactly was Ron Pataky and did he Kill Dorothy Kilgallen
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2020, 12:58:43 AM »


"An assistant [unnamed] medical examiner reports...."
Why didn't the chief medical examiner step into this for a case involving a celebrated journalist?
"A moderate mixture of alcohol and barbiturates"? "The quantities" [involved] were not excessive..."
Not excessive? Then how come she died?
Like there was some booze and drugs left over?
If it really was suicide, why not step it up with everything there is?
Dorothy didn't kill herself and neither did Marilyn.