Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier

[Martin Weidmann]

LOL.  So you entertain the possibility that Day lied about finding a crucial piece of evidence that links Oswald to the rifle.  And you characterize this as "having a roll to play in wrapping the case around [Oswald]".  Better known as framing him!  But months later Day is suddenly assisting to bring to light the curtain rods that his "highly questionable police department" (what does that even mean?) suppressed to frame Oswald.  Actions completely at odd with one another.  And I'm the one with a flawed conclusion?  HA HA HA.  Keep them coming.  You are twisting like a pretzel.  The obvious difference between Alan's form and the Klein's documents is that we do have some insight into the Klein's documents from Waldman and others.  And there are multiple documents relating to Oswald's purchase of the rifle.

So you entertain the possibility that Day lied about finding a crucial piece of evidence that links Oswald to the rifle.

Given the reputation of the DPD in those days? Absolutely. If Fritz can put a pre-written "confession" before Buell Frazier and demand that he signs it, you're not dealing with a normal police department.

And you characterize this as "having a roll to play in wrapping the case around [Oswald]". Better known as framing him!

Once again you have it backwards. "Framing him" implies that Oswald was an innocent man, who was being set up, but he doesn't have to be to get a case wrapped around him after the fact. There have been cases where there was a lack of evidence against a guilty suspect, so that evidence was simply created. In this case, I have serious doubts about the fact that Oswald is supposed to have killed Kennedy (and possibly Tippit) but there is no doubt in my mind that it is simply impossible that he was just an innocent bystander. What I am also sure about is that Hoover declared him the sole gunman within 48 hours after the crime and he simply could not afford to be wrong.

But months later Day is suddenly assisting to bring to light the curtain rods that his "highly questionable police department" (what does that even mean?) suppressed to frame Oswald.

What are you babbling about? Where does it say that Day assisted in anything other than checking some curtain rods for Oswald's prints at the request of a Secret Service Agent. You seem to foolishly believe somehow that all the players in this massive case had instant 100% knowledge of everything that was going on, when in reality they had no idea about who was doing what and what for.

Actions completely at odd with one another.  And I'm the one with a flawed conclusion?

Those actions are only completely at odd with one another, because you have a problem understanding even basic stuff. The DPD was pulled off the case when the FBI took over. I seriously doubt there was any significant and detailed information being exchanged between the FBI, the Secret Service and the DPD. For crying out loud, this whole palmprint mess began with Day not sharing information/evidence with the FBI (if he did indeed lift the print of the rifle on 11/22/63, as he later claimed).

The obvious difference between Alan's form and the Klein's documents is that we do have some insight into the Klein's documents from Waldman and others.

Who are those "others"? Was the owner himself called to testify? He wanted to, but they never called him. And what about Mitchell Westra, who told the HSCA that Klein's only mounted the scope on the 36 inch MC,  (HSCA interview 2/20/78) and William Sharp, who confirmed what Westra testified to (HSCA interview 2/21/78)?

And there are multiple documents relating to Oswald's purchase of the rifle.

When you get vague, which happens a lot, it normally is because you have nothing of substance to offer. What "multiple documents" are there that link to Oswald? There are the photocopies of the order form, the envelope and the money order, which an FBI expert says had Oswald's handwriting on it, but during the mock trail he confirmed that photocopies could be easily manipulated. So, what else is there? The mere fact that you haven't already mentioned them is all the confirmation I need to know that you are blowing smoke.

[Richard Smith]

Actually, Mr Smith, what you have no idea of is how to explain away what's on this document---------------the pitiful best you've been able to come up with is 'Oh gee, they musta got both the dates wrong, but hey no biggie, muh NY Times' 

Try to focus.  Ready?  What do you expect to happen by posting this document over and over and over again on this forum?  If you really believe it is evidence of a conspiracy to frame Oswald for the assassination, why not contact the NY Times or someone like that and provide them with the document?  Why not even try to contact Ruth Paine to see if she has any recollection?   If I thought that I had evidence that proved a conspiracy to kill the President, I wouldn't waste time on an Internet forum.

[Alan Ford]

Try to focus.  Ready?  What do you expect to happen by posting this document over and over and over again on this forum?  If you really believe it is evidence of a conspiracy to frame Oswald for the assassination, why not contact the NY Times or someone like that and provide them with the document?  Why not even try to contact Ruth Paine to see if she has any recollection?   If I thought that I had evidence that proved a conspiracy to kill the President, I wouldn't waste time on an Internet forum.

~Grin~

Poor Mr Smith's complete inability to come up with a convincing explanation for this document is once again noted



 

[Alan Ford]

Bumped for Mr Galbraith! 

Superbly sophisticated stuff, Mr Galbraith! 

Now----------let's get back on topic, shall we?

What is Mr Steve M. Galbraith's explanation for what's on the document below?



 

[Alan Ford]

ALAN FORD SAID:

Bumped for Mr Von Pein!

 

Mr Von Pein has gone awfully quiet. Let's give him a friendly little prompt, shall we?

ALAN FORD SAID:

Two curtain rods were submitted by Agent Howlett to Lt. Day EITHER a good half a day BEFORE Agent Howlett extracted them from the Paine garage (=the Von Pein 23 March Option); OR nearly two hours AFTER they were released by Lt. Day back to Agent Howlett (=the Von Pein 24 March Option)

Is the above time-bending fantasy still the best you can come up with, Mr Von Pein?

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

[Martin Weidmann]

Try to focus.  Ready?  What do you expect to happen by posting this document over and over and over again on this forum?  If you really believe it is evidence of a conspiracy to frame Oswald for the assassination, why not contact the NY Times or someone like that and provide them with the document?  Why not even try to contact Ruth Paine to see if she has any recollection?   If I thought that I had evidence that proved a conspiracy to kill the President, I wouldn't waste time on an Internet forum.

If I thought that I had evidence that proved a conspiracy to kill the President, I wouldn't waste time on an Internet forum.

But you're happy to waste everybody's time by defending a fairytale?   

[Jon Banks]

There's no proof that the Carcano rifle was ever in Ruth Paine's garage