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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Why classify information?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2022, 03:51:02 PM »
That is known as having a "bias" outside a criminal trial context.  At least you are honest about that unlike many CTers.

Says the guy with the biggest bias of them all.

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Re: Why classify information?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2022, 05:12:12 PM »
Says the guy with the biggest bias of them all.

You don't understand the concept of bias.  Bias means being prejudiced or predisposed to a particular outcome (e.g. starting with a "presumption" that Oswald is innocent).  It is entirely different from looking at the evidence and coming to a neutral conclusion based upon that evidence to determine what happened.  I don't have any bias toward Oswald or whether he was part of a conspiracy.  Why would I care one way or the other?  It is the evidence that makes that determination not me.  The evidence links Oswald to the murders of JFK and Tippit beyond doubt.  There is no credible evidence of Oswald's involvement with anyone else in the commission of these crimes.  Nothing more or less.  You disagree so spare us breaking down every sentence and repeating the same contrarian nonsense.  You clearly apply a different standard to evidence of Oswald's guilt while entertaining baseless "possibilities" that might lend themselves to his innocence.  A double standard.   

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Re: Why classify information?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2022, 07:20:03 PM »
You don't understand the concept of bias.  Bias means being prejudiced or predisposed to a particular outcome (e.g. starting with a "presumption" that Oswald is innocent).  It is entirely different from looking at the evidence and coming to a neutral conclusion based upon that evidence to determine what happened.  I don't have any bias toward Oswald or whether he was part of a conspiracy.  Why would I care one way or the other?  It is the evidence that makes that determination not me.  The evidence links Oswald to the murders of JFK and Tippit beyond doubt.  There is no credible evidence of Oswald's involvement with anyone else in the commission of these crimes.  Nothing more or less.  You disagree so spare us breaking down every sentence and repeating the same contrarian nonsense.  You clearly apply a different standard to evidence of Oswald's guilt while entertaining baseless "possibilities" that might lend themselves to his innocence.  A double standard.

You don't understand the concept of bias.

Hilarious

Bias means being prejudiced or predisposed to a particular outcome (e.g. starting with a "presumption" that Oswald is innocent).

Or that he's guilty, which is exactly what the WC did and you do on a daily basis

It is entirely different from looking at the evidence and coming to a neutral conclusion based upon that evidence to determine what happened.

BS, there is nothing neutral about you and your conclusions. A truly neutral person would not deny or dismiss major flaws in the evidence, as you do.

I don't have any bias toward Oswald or whether he was part of a conspiracy.  Why would I care one way or the other?

I'm not sure why you would care, but you most certainly do.

It is the evidence that makes that determination not me.  The evidence links Oswald to the murders of JFK and Tippit beyond doubt.

And you really actually believe this crap? The determination that the evidence is "beyond doubt" is made by you. It's your opinion.

You clearly apply a different standard to evidence of Oswald's guilt while entertaining baseless "possibilities" that might lend themselves to his innocence.

Yes I have a different standard than yours. Your bar is so low it almost touches the floor. Mine is considerably higher and requires actual evidence rather than assumptions and speculation to make a case.

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Re: Why classify information?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2022, 07:27:27 PM »
There have been several official investigations into the assassination.  All have concluded that Oswald was the assassin.  I would refer you to those.  The rifle is obviously the most important single piece of evidence.  Oswald is linked to the rifle and the rifle is linked to the crime.  Make like Sherlock Holmes and figure it out.

Says the guy who claims he has no bias. There has been one investigation which actually developed evidence. All the others simply went over the same evidence. Did you expect a different outcome? Garbage in = Garbage out.

The rifle is obviously the most important single piece of evidence.  Oswald is linked to the rifle and the rifle is linked to the crime.

Oswald's link to the rifle is highly tentative and the link of the rifle to the crime is just as questionable. Anybody who digs a little deeper in the available evidence can not escape that conclusion.

Nobody has ever conclusively place the MC rifle found at the TSBD in Oswald's hands at 12:30 on 11/22/63 and nobody has ever conclusively placed Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD when Kennedy was killed. Beyond that, your case is indeed rock solid  :D

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Re: Why classify information?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2022, 01:14:30 AM »
Says the guy who claims he has no bias. There has been one investigation which actually developed evidence. All the others simply went over the same evidence. Did you expect a different outcome? Garbage in = Garbage out.

The rifle is obviously the most important single piece of evidence.  Oswald is linked to the rifle and the rifle is linked to the crime.

Oswald's link to the rifle is highly tentative and the link of the rifle to the crime is just as questionable. Anybody who digs a little deeper in the available evidence can not escape that conclusion.

Nobody has ever conclusively place the MC rifle found at the TSBD in Oswald's hands at 12:30 on 11/22/63 and nobody has ever conclusively placed Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD when Kennedy was killed. Beyond that, your case is indeed rock solid  :D

Please let Martin be on the jury if I ever commit a crime.  Imagine a criminal taking measures to avoid detection at the time of his crime!  Oswald's rifle is found at the scene from which a person is murdered with a rifle.  Fired bullet casings from Oswald's rifle are by the window from which witnesses confirm the shots were fired.  Oswald's prints are on the boxes by that window.  Oswald has no alibi at the time the shots are fired.  He lies to the police about his ownership of the rifle.  He flees the scene, kills a police officer in less than an hour later, and resists arrest.  But we don't have a film of him pulling the trigger (which could be faked according to the contrarians) so there is doubt of his guilt!  THERE ARE OTHER POSSIBILITIES.  Maybe Oswald bought the rifle but gave it away to someone and then lied about buying it.  It's "possible."  Right?  Whew.

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Re: Why classify information?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2022, 01:28:01 AM »
Please let Martin be on the jury if I ever commit a crime.  Imagine a criminal taking measures to avoid detection at the time of his crime!  Oswald's rifle is found at the scene from which a person is murdered with a rifle.  Fired bullet casings from Oswald's rifle are by the window from which witnesses confirm the shots were fired.  Oswald's prints are on the boxes by that window.  Oswald has no alibi at the time the shots are fired.  He lies to the police about his ownership of the rifle.  He flees the scene, kills a police officer in less than an hour later, and resists arrest.  But we don't have a film of him pulling the trigger (which could be faked according to the contrarians) so there is doubt of his guilt!  THERE ARE OTHER POSSIBILITIES.  Maybe Oswald bought the rifle but gave it away to someone and then lied about buying it.  It's "possible."  Right?  Whew.

Pathetic.

No matter how often you refer to the rifle as Oswald's rifle, you've got not a shred of evidence of that being true. You also haven't got a shred of evidence that places Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30 on 11/22/63 and you can't even prove that the rifle that was found on the 6th floor was actually fired that day or that it belonged to Oswald.

This is Mr. "I'm neutral" exposing his true nature. That's all.

Please let Martin be on the jury if I ever commit a crime.

Please let "Richard Smith" never ever be on a jury.

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Re: Why classify information?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2022, 02:55:11 PM »
Pathetic.

No matter how often you refer to the rifle as Oswald's rifle, you've got not a shred of evidence of that being true. You also haven't got a shred of evidence that places Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30 on 11/22/63 and you can't even prove that the rifle that was found on the 6th floor was actually fired that day or that it belonged to Oswald.



To claim that there is "not a shred of evidence" that the rifle belonged to Oswald is so far removed from reality as to defy any rational discussion of the topic.  It is difficult to imagine how there could be any more evidence of the fact.  And to suggest that the evidence that does exist is somehow suspect can only be explained away as the product of a conspiracy.  So while you are too cowardly to ever admit that you are a CTer - likely because taking any position requires something more than playing the endless contrarian - it effectively means that you are a CTer who believes evidence that derives from numerous different sources was faked both before and after the fact to frame Oswald.  The Alamo position of those who realize that the facts and circumstances of the case point to Oswald.