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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Fake News is Old News.
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2021, 06:09:18 AM »
Some of media is controlled by the right wing. Fox News, Newsmax and OAN, certainly. But the media as a whole? No. Only some media outlets, which cater toward the right-wing audience who want a right-wing slant. Not so much to media corporations as a whole trying to control public opinion.

Name one major Liberal Media outlet that is "all liberal" like right wingers have Faux, OAN, and Newsmax which is far right wing. There isn't one.

That's false, ever since Biden was elected, the main stream media took a right slant to boost their ratings. Faux News does what it does because right wing propaganda is an easy way to get ratings, and ratings equal as revenue, and Faux News is a for-profit business. No surprise CNN is going the Faux News route. It’s where the ratings are.

How many telecommunications companies are creating an "all liberal" network like AT&T funded the far right wing disinformation OAN? The answer is 0. 

How AT&T helped build far-right One America News

Reuters review of court records shows the role AT&T played in creating and funding OAN, a network that continues to spread conspiracy theories about the 2020 election and the COVID-19 pandemic. Dallas-based AT&T, a mobile-phone and Internet provider, also owns entertainment giant Warner Media, which includes CNN.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-oneamerica-att/

I don’t think CNN is pushing the same bogus propaganda. A Google search of:

          cnn “January 6”

brings up:

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/06/us/capitol-riot-paths-to-insurrection/

          “ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY – Paths to Insurrection”

Hardly a right-wing down playing the January 6 riot. Nor do I see any support for the “Stolen Election” claims by CNN.

CNN just ran a propaganda hit piece against Vice President Harris while promoting a pro Chris Christie documentary. CNN has been pushing right wing talking points for months in order to boost ratings, especially the garbage Chris Cillizza writes in order to generate clicks on the CNN website. 

Last night, the CNN prime time 6-9pm show didn't even mention the infrastructure bill once for full hour on the historic day. And then, CNN promoted another full hour with the Chris Christie puff piece documentary. Same garbage they did for Trump in 2016 giving him full 24/7 coverage and barely covered the Clinton campaign. So much for the "liberal media".

Politico was bought by a German right wing billionaire and they too went extremely negative against President Biden. All these news outlets are being sold and then bought by right wingers. That's why the right wing "liberal media" claim is a joke.

German publisher Axel Springer to acquire U.S. news website Politico for over $1 billion
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/axel-springer-acquire-news-website-politico-2021-08-26/

Some AM stations that cater to a right-wing audience. But a lot of stations report the regular news.

AM radio is completely dominated by far right wing syndicated talk shows which are broadcasted on thousands of radio stations. Name a radio broadcasting company that syndicates Liberal talk radio on thousands of stations. Once again, there isn't any. 

There are only a handful of all liberal radio stations in the United States on low wattage stations. The news stations still parrot right wing talking points for ratings.       

This article is from a decade ago and it details how right wing radio dominates the airwaves. It's been that way since the 90's after the Fairness Doctrine expired in 1987.   

Conservative Talk Dominates the Airwaves
https://newsgeneration.com/2010/05/11/conservative-talk-dominates-the-airwaves/

I don’t see “60 minutes”, the most prominent news program, pushing the Trump narrative.

60 Minutes is a national news program which is shown on CBS stations across America. The local news on CBS, NBC, ABC Sinclair owned broadcasting stations push the Trump propaganda narrative. That's what most people watch. Sinclair owns the overwhelming number of CBS, NBC, ABC tv affiliates in the United States.   

Check out this article from 2018 to see the far right wing Trump propaganda being pushed in your local tv news markets. And again, there is no broadcasting company that promotes "liberal news" on local ABC, NBC, CBS tv stations.   

Sinclair, the pro-Trump, conservative company taking over local news, explained
Sinclair reaches 40 percent of households — and soon will reach 72 percent.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/3/17180020/sinclair-broadcast-group-conservative-trump-david-smith-local-news-tv-affiliate

The media is clearly not dominated by the right-wing. If this were so, why has Trump always complained about the “Fake News” media? While people are free to choose right-wing media stations, on both TV and radio that will mislead them, the bulk of our media sources are still good.

Criminal Donald calls it "fake news" so he can dismiss his crimes and scandals. That's the scam he runs to get the morons in his base to believe him so they turn against the MSM and only listen to what he says. He's nothing but a fraud and he has already admitted to doing that.

Donald Trump finally admits that “fake news” just means news he doesn’t like
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/9/17335306/trump-tweet-twitter-latest-fake-news-credentials

Again, point to one media outlet that is "all liberal" equivalent to right wing Faux, OAN, Newsmax. There isn't any.   

We have a main stream media and a far right wing fake news media in the United States. There is no "liberal media" in the United States. Now the main stream media, which is supposed to be independent, has decided to amp up right wing talking points to boost their ratings. So yes, the media is right wing dominated and it's getting worse because independent outlets are being bought up by the far right and they push right wing disinformation. Politico and Sinclair Broadcasting is a perfect example of that.                 
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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Fake News is Old News.
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2021, 01:30:49 PM »

We have a main stream media and a far right wing fake news media in the United States. There is no "liberal media" in the United States.
Now the main stream media which is supposed to be independent has decided to amp up right wing talking points to boost their ratings. So yes, the media is right wing dominated and it's getting worse because independent outlets are being bought up by the far right. Politico and Sinclair Broadcasting is a perfect example of that.               

Most people who work in the media, maybe 60%, are politically Liberal. So I understand why some view the media as often biased in favor of the Democrats.

However, the news business is a “business”. The news media producers and editors publish what gets the most “clicks” or highest ratings, not what helps Liberals or Democrats politically. Sometimes their business interests align with Democratic agendas (ie anti-Trump coverage) but not always.

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Re: Fake News is Old News.
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2021, 01:49:20 AM »
Most people who work in the media, maybe 60%, are politically Liberal. So I understand why some view the media as often biased in favor of the Democrats.

However, the news business is a “business”. The news media producers and editors publish what gets the most “clicks” or highest ratings, not what helps Liberals or Democrats politically. Sometimes their business interests align with Democratic agendas (ie anti-Trump coverage) but not always.

It doesn't matter what political preference a person has privately. When the network puts out specific talking points that's what gets put out on the air. And if the person wants to keep their job, they will do what the network wants. It's about ratings and profits and nothing else.

Today on MSNBC, Chuck Todd was using the same right wing talking points that you hear on Faux. Chris Christie is getting a pro documentary series of himself on CNN to boost his political aspirations. On the ABC Evening News last night, the Infrastructure Bill wasn't even the lead story. CNN waited an entire hour to mention it during CNN prime time. So where is this "liberal bias" in the main stream media?     

Do you think the hosts at Faux actually believe all the COVID and vaccine lies they push when they themselves are vaccinated? ​Of course not. They need to gin up controversy and keep the sheep angry so they keep tuning in. It's entertainment and not news. And we all suffer because of it.

And these same right wingers on Faux and Newsmax who rail against vaccine mandates tell their viewers "do not comply" to mandates, all comply themselves to vaccine mandates because Faux and Newsmax implemented vaccine mandates as a company policy. So these hacks have to comply to mandates, or they will be out of a job, but tell their sheep viewers to "do not comply" when their own employers mandate them. They are blatant hypocrites. Why aren't they not complying to their mandates like they tell their sheep viewers to do? Because they want to keep their jobs, that's why. So, all the vaccine lies they push is keeping a significant portion of the population from getting vaccinated which is allowing the virus to keep surging. And as a result, they are killing off their own viewers just so they can have high tv ratings and make huge profits.

So, when right wing billionaires buy up independent media outlets and start pushing right wing propaganda, where is the "liberal bias"?

CNN, Politico, and the majority ABC, CBS, NBC local tv affiliates are owned by right wingers. Is anybody really going to claim that the right wingers who own these media outlets are going to promote a "liberal news bias" against their own interests?  :D             
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Re: Fake News is Old News.
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2021, 03:43:21 AM »

Today on MSNBC, Chuck Todd was using the same right wing talking points that you hear on Faux. Chris Christie is getting a pro documentary series of himself on CNN to boost his political aspirations. On the ABC Evening News last night, the Infrastructure Bill wasn't even the lead story. CNN waited an entire hour to mention it during CNN prime time. So where is this "liberal bias" in the main stream media?     

CNN and MSNBC still spend an awful lot of time talking about Trump and the January 6th investigations. I don't think most rightwingers and independents care about the January 6th hearings as much as Democrats.

The Infrastructure Bill is a great policy win for Biden but he's got to go out and sell it himself to voters. Policy-stuff in DC doesn't drive ratings or get clicks so the news media isn't going to spend much time discussing the Bill.


Do you think the hosts at Faux actually believe all the COVID and vaccine lies they push when they themselves are vaccinated? ​Of course not. They need to gin up controversy and keep the sheep angry so they keep tuning in. It's entertainment and not news. And we all suffer because of it.

True but controversy and anger sells on the Left too.

NPR and C-Span do great work but they don't have as big an audience as the major news networks because they do straight news without the focus on contentious wedge issues and other political drama.


CNN, Politico, and the majority ABC, CBS, NBC local tv affiliates are owned by right wingers. Is anybody really going to claim that the right wingers who own these media outlets are going to promote a "liberal news bias" against their own interests?  :D             

Well we agree that there's no real "Liberal/Progressive" outlet in the mainstream media. While I maintain that most who work in the media are politically Liberal, the on-air content is not driven by stuff that advances Liberal or Democratic political agendas.

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Re: Fake News is Old News.
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2021, 04:49:03 AM »
CNN and MSNBC still spend an awful lot of time talking about Trump and the January 6th investigations. I don't think most rightwingers and independents care about the January 6th hearings as much as Democrats.

They're supposed to report on a major domestic terrorist attack and coup attempt against the United States along with the anti American traitors behind it. That's real news that needs to be reported, not bogus right wing propaganda against Vice President Harris that CNN has been pushing. ​Independents do care about what happens to our democracy which Republicans are trying to replace with fascism. Republicans obviously don't care because that's what they want with Criminal Donald as their dictator. MAGA was trying to overthrow the US Government so it could happen. The right wing media constantly downplays the entire event and supports the terrorists involved in the coup.       

Reporting on the 1/6 insurrection isn't a "liberal bias". That's a domestic terrorist attack by MAGA and it needs to be reported as a major event on every media outlet. 

The Infrastructure Bill is a great policy win for Biden but he's got to go out and sell it himself to voters. Policy-stuff in DC doesn't drive ratings or get clicks so the news media isn't going to spend much time discussing the Bill.

President Biden is selling it to the voters. He was in New Hampshire today and will continue to go across the United States just like he's was doing for months when he was trying to get the bill passed. But when networks run Rittenhouse as the lead story over an historic Infrastructure accomplishment that no other President achieved of this magnitude, then nobody can claim a "liberal bias" when it's not the top story of the day. When Criminal Donald was in charge, the top story was of him making empty promises of infrastructure we never got. So he got the coverage while doing nothing, and when President Biden accomplished an historic goal, it's not even the 1st story of the night. There can't be a "liberal bias" when President Biden's Infrastructure Bill passage receives less coverage than Criminal Donald lying at a hate rally about his imagnary infrastructure plan he never even had.       ​ 

Chris Christie was on ABC yesterday. He was on CNN and MSNBC tonight. The New York Times just did a big interview with him today. He has his own pro documentary airing on CNN. What's their fascination with him? Seems like they are trying to repair his damaged image for a potential 2024 Presidential run. That's the same thing the media did for Donald Trump before he ran for office. These networks should be interviewing President Biden for his historic Infrastructure Bill. So, the President takes a backseat for a Trump stooge and some people still want to claim there's a "liberal media bias". What a joke.     

True but controversy and anger sells on the Left too.

Yes, which is why the MSM goes negative against Democrats and the current Democratic President at the time to get people on the left angry enough to tune in to drive up their ratings. It's all a ratings game. We've seen that with both CNN and MSNBC in the last few months with their biased coverage against President Biden and Democrats. Bill Mahr who's a self professed "liberal" is now pushing right wing talking points on his HBO show to get ratings. If the main stream media was so "liberally biased", there would never be one bad word spoken against Democrats like we see the pro Trump and GOP propaganda being pushed on Faux, Newsmax etc.

Who is always mostly booked on the major network Sunday morning shows? It's not Democrats or Biden Administration officials, it's right wing Republicans in Congress pushing their lies and talking points. And not one of the hosts ever pushes back against it. So, that right wing propaganda seeps into the main stream media and people who do watch the programs might be inclined to believe it. Then other outlets report on those lies. That's how right wing disinformation gets spread in the media. The only person who does a decent job of pushing back is Chris Wallace on Faux which is a surprise.           

NPR and C-Span do great work but they don't have as big an audience as the major news networks because they do straight news without the focus on contentious wedge issues and other political drama.

Yes, they do but their coverage is limited and the rest of the media should be the same without the propaganda. Except CSPAN still airs Criminal Donald's recent hate rallies which shouldn't even be broadcasted.         

Well we agree that there's no real "Liberal/Progressive" outlet in the mainstream media. While I maintain that most who work in the media are politically Liberal, the on-air content is not driven by stuff that advances Liberal or Democratic political agendas.

Yes, there in no "Liberal Media" in which right wingers continue to lie about each day.

When right wingers are buying up independent media outlets they aren't going to keep liberals on their staff. They are going to bring in right wingers who think just like them. And what a person's private political preference is doesn't matter, when the boss hands them a script of right wing talking points to say on the air they are going to say it or else they will lose their job.

It most definitely is driven by political agenda. After the buyout of CNN and Politico, the news on there has slanted right because the right wingers who owns them wants a right slanted content. 

When Sinclair Broadcasting buys up NBC, ABC, CBS tv affiliates they push far right wing propaganda into their local 4,5,6,11pm news broadcasts. That's politically driven right wing agenda being pushed into local media markets all over America. And that's more far right wing than Faux.     

So yes, it is politically driven because the right wingers that own these media outlets want their right wing agenda broadcasted. That's why they are buying up everything so more right wing disinformation can be pushed on people. They sure as hell aren't going to be pushing "liberal news" on people. :D       
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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Fake News is Old News.
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2021, 03:40:16 PM »
CNN and MSNBC still spend an awful lot of time talking about Trump and the January 6th investigations. I don't think most rightwingers and independents care about the January 6th hearings as much as Democrats.

The Infrastructure Bill is a great policy win for Biden but he's got to go out and sell it himself to voters. Policy-stuff in DC doesn't drive ratings or get clicks so the news media isn't going to spend much time discussing the Bill.



And by "spend an awful lot of time talking about Trump and January 6th" you mean run that almost continuously.  No one can question that CNN and MSNBC are biased to the point of being a propaganda arm of the DNC obsessed with Trump and fearful of 2024. 

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Re: Fake News is Old News.
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2021, 04:58:07 PM »
And by "spend an awful lot of time talking about Trump and January 6th" you mean run that almost continuously.  No one can question that CNN and MSNBC are biased to the point of being a propaganda arm of the DNC obsessed with Trump and fearful of 2024.
Almost all of cable news is worthless. It's all "team" reporting. CNN used to be the least bad; but they've gone full Trump resistance and with that anything goes. The media critic for the Washington Post, Erik Wemple, asked the network about retracting some of their Trump collusion claims, specifically those in the Steele Dossier. They refused to respond.

MSNBC is the worst, Fox second worst, CNN third worst. But all are serving the country poorly.