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Online Andrew Mason

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« Reply #70 on: December 08, 2021, 04:59:14 PM »
So, in total, not more that 30 people knew what is really happening.
RFK and Ted Kennedy knew about it, JFK mother also knew but I think that it was kept secret from his father.
You think they told the father that JFK had died and didn't tell him that, in fact, JFK was still alive?  That is as absurd as your fantasy that JFK faked his death, but for some strange reason I would be interested in knowing why you would think the family would do that....

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Caroline and John Jr were the greatest risk but I also think they both knew and spent great time with their father until he died in 1967.
How about all the children of Bobby and Ethel Kennedy?  What about JFK's sisters and their families?  What about JFK's fortune? Why would JFK let that go?

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One of the main participants is still alive, Clint Hill and he was never asked the question if the assassination was faked and maybe it is better to remain that way.
He was never asked because the thought has not occurred to anyone but you.

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« Reply #71 on: December 08, 2021, 10:03:23 PM »
You think they told the father that JFK had died and didn't tell him that, in fact, JFK was still alive?  That is as absurd as your fantasy that JFK faked his death, but for some strange reason I would be interested in knowing why you would think the family would do that....
How about all the children of Bobby and Ethel Kennedy?  What about JFK's sisters and their families?  What about JFK's fortune? Why would JFK let that go?
He was never asked because the thought has not occurred to anyone but you.
I was absolutely not the first person to investigate faked assassination. There were theories before me for sure.
I think that I have established almost the full line from Love Field via Parkland to Florida.

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« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2021, 05:38:18 PM »
I was absolutely not the first person to investigate faked assassination. There were theories before me for sure.
I think that I have established almost the full line from Love Field via Parkland to Florida.
You did not answer my questions.

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« Reply #73 on: December 09, 2021, 06:24:48 PM »
That is the good question and number of people was not huge. You have two groups, first are those directly participated in the plot and second group are those who knew about it.
Direct participants were JFK, Jackie, Clint Hill, Jack Ready, Kellerman, Greer, Landis, Kinney, Roberts, Hickey, O'Donnell, McIntyre and Malcolm Killduff. Possibly 2-3 SS agents more.
The main issue was to provide a switch body at Parkland hospital. On November 21st there was a murder and suicide at Abilene when a man (similar age and constitution as JFK) killed his wife and then committed a suicide by shooting at his head through his mouth and his body was used as switch body at Parkland Trauma room 1. There were at least two doctors who prepared his body and helped with the switch. One of them was Dr Fouad Bashour. Among this 19-20 people, there were pilots of the JFKs Caroline plane and there was Hoover who also knew about the plot and there were two ladies at the Love Field. So, in total, not more that 30 people knew what is really happening.
RFK and Ted Kennedy knew about it, JFK mother also knew but I think that it was kept secret from his father. Caroline and John Jr were the greatest risk but I also think they both knew and spent great time with their father until he died in 1967.
Also, there were more people who knew it after 11/22/63, mostly doctors and nurses who treated JFK in Florida.

One of the main participants is still alive, Clint Hill and he was never asked the question if the assassination was faked and maybe it is better to remain that way.

Hey, Patrick just to comment re the above and please excuse the musical reference.    If I accept your theory then President Kennedy wanted to fake a dead Kennedy situation - re him - but he couldn't move forward with his plan unless there was a dead Kennedy look-a-like to take his place in the coffin.  Now, on the day before a look-a-like Kennedy killed his wife and then himself and this allowed the real Kennedy to become a fake dead Kennedy.  So, if that event didn't take place then the real Kennedy wouldn't have died - so to speak - in Dallas but in whatever city where there will be a look-a-like dead Kennedy.   Am I right about that?  Also who informed JFK that a look-a-like killed himself the day before?  Did his look-a-like and his dead wife have funerals?  Was it in the papers?  Were relatives notified?  Why isn't my brother in a  funeral home by now?  Etc.

Btw ... the Dead Kennedys was a Rock Band way back when.         

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« Reply #74 on: December 11, 2021, 09:15:24 PM »
You did not answer my questions.
Well, I do not know all the answers of course... You want me to write you exactly who knew, it is absurd to expect that from me. I THINK that his brothers and sisters knew he is alive, not their children and I have impresion it was kept secret from his father.
As I always write, put yourself in the position somebody wants to kill you and you decide to fake your death. Will you say it to everybody or not?
As of the fortune, you have to realize that JFK was aware he was deadly ill. What exact fortune do you think and who got it after his "death"?

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« Reply #75 on: December 11, 2021, 09:24:06 PM »
Hey, Patrick just to comment re the above and please excuse the musical reference.    If I accept your theory then President Kennedy wanted to fake a dead Kennedy situation - re him - but he couldn't move forward with his plan unless there was a dead Kennedy look-a-like to take his place in the coffin.  Now, on the day before a look-a-like Kennedy killed his wife and then himself and this allowed the real Kennedy to become a fake dead Kennedy.  So, if that event didn't take place then the real Kennedy wouldn't have died - so to speak - in Dallas but in whatever city where there will be a look-a-like dead Kennedy.   Am I right about that?  Also who informed JFK that a look-a-like killed himself the day before?  Did his look-a-like and his dead wife have funerals?  Was it in the papers?  Were relatives notified?  Why isn't my brother in a  funeral home by now?  Etc.

Btw ... the Dead Kennedys was a Rock Band way back when.       
When I was researching, I came accross this murder/suicide the day earlier in Abilene but it does not mean they used this body. Key object here was to find hospital personel to perform the switch and participate in the whole thing. They could find the body somewhere else as well. Will try to find you that Abilene case. I had all names but have to search through files.

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« Reply #76 on: January 02, 2022, 12:25:14 AM »
Just like no single pixel in a photograph is proof of the overall picture.  The case against Oswald, as set out by Vincent Bugliosi, is not made up of 53 facts each of which prove Oswald guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by themselves.  Rather, those 53 very probable facts together provide proof beyond a reasonable doubt of his guilt. 

No.  Something is either evidence of guilt or it is not.  A bunch of things that are not evidence at all (like a ring in a cup) do not magically combine into evidence of murder.  All they are is rhetorical padding for a weak case.

Lots of us had a laugh at Patrick's blood cannons the first time he broached the subject.  But if you think about it, it's not that much different from the narrative of the "Oswald did it" cult.  It's based on a fanciful story filled with assumptions and speculation and hardly any direct evidence.