U.S. And International Politics

[Richard Smith]

What does that prove? - Trump changed his 2016 platform to soften US help in Ukraine.
I don't know what you're arguing

"Prior to the 2016 Republican convention, the GOP platform favored providing lethal defensive arms to Ukrainian forces fighting Russian-backed separatists. The Trump campaign orchestrated a behind-the-scenes effort to water down this stance to "appropriate assistance".

What does it prove?  LOL.  You claimed there was no Russia/Ukraine conflict under Obama.  Russia invaded Ukraine while Obama was president in 2014.  Ukraine had to capitulate because Obama refused to support them.  He was afraid of Russia.  Meanwhile Trump is supplying Ukraine with all manner of weapons to fight Russia.   Yet Trump is the KGB agent in your upside down fantasy world. 

[Michael Capasse]

What does it prove?  LOL.  You claimed there was no Russia/Ukraine conflict under Obama.  Russia invaded Ukraine while Obama was president in 2014.  Ukraine had to capitulate because Obama refused to support them.  He was afraid of Russia.  Meanwhile Trump is supplying Ukraine with all manner of weapons to fight Russia.   Yet Trump is the KGB agent in your upside down fantasy world.

Who said KGB? ...and yes, Putin annexed a portion of Ukraine in 2014 and Obama put sanctions on Russia.
meanwhile....

  Trump's campaign manager with Russian connections pleaded guilty to;
One count of conspiracy against the United States, covering a hidden Ukrainian lobbying scheme, financial crimes, and foreign-agent registration violations.
One count of conspiracy to obstruct justice involving witness tampering

Paul Manafort maintained direct contact with individuals tied to Russian intelligence while serving as chairman of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.
Key findings from government investigations detail these connections:

Campaign Contacts and Polling Data Konstantin Kilimnik: Manafort repeatedly met and communicated during the 2016 campaign with Kilimnik, a business associate whom the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee and the FBI assessed to have direct ties to Russian intelligence.

Sharing Information: Manafort shared internal, sensitive campaign polling data and strategic updates with Kilimnik while running the Trump campaign, which investigators viewed as a major counterintelligence threat.

Ukraine Discussions: The two met in person in New York and discussed a pro-Russian "peace plan" for eastern Ukraine.

Official Findings Senate Report: A bipartisan U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Report concluded that Manafort's high-level interactions with Kilimnik represented a "grave counterintelligence threat" that allowed Russian intelligence services an avenue to acquire confidential campaign information.

Meanwhile Trump is supplying Ukraine with all manner of weapons to fight Russia. 

Zelenskyy does alright developing the latest drone technology and getting real assistance from the EU.
a well deserved nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Richard Smith]

Who said KGB? ...and yes, Putin annexed a portion of Ukraine in 2014 and Obama put sanctions on Russia.
meanwhile....

  Trump's campaign manager with Russian connections pleaded guilty to;
One count of conspiracy against the United States, covering a hidden Ukrainian lobbying scheme, financial crimes, and foreign-agent registration violations.
One count of conspiracy to obstruct justice involving witness tampering

Paul Manafort maintained direct contact with individuals tied to Russian intelligence while serving as chairman of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.
Key findings from government investigations detail these connections:

Campaign Contacts and Polling Data Konstantin Kilimnik: Manafort repeatedly met and communicated during the 2016 campaign with Kilimnik, a business associate whom the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee and the FBI assessed to have direct ties to Russian intelligence.

Sharing Information: Manafort shared internal, sensitive campaign polling data and strategic updates with Kilimnik while running the Trump campaign, which investigators viewed as a major counterintelligence threat.

Ukraine Discussions: The two met in person in New York and discussed a pro-Russian "peace plan" for eastern Ukraine.

Official Findings Senate Report: A bipartisan U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Report concluded that Manafort's high-level interactions with Kilimnik represented a "grave counterintelligence threat" that allowed Russian intelligence services an avenue to acquire confidential campaign information.
 

Zelenskyy does alright developing the latest drone technology and getting real assistance from the EU.
a well deserved nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.

So when you claimed that "There was no Ukraine/Russia war under Obama" that was completely false.  And when Obama provided no weapons to Ukraine forcing them to capitulate, there is nothing to see there.  But when Trump provides a multitude of weapons systems to Ukraine that has allowed them to stalemate this conflict, he is an agent of Putin.  Do you understand how bizarre that line of "reasoning" is?  Your mind has been affected by TDS propaganda to believe up is down. 

[Michael Capasse]

But when Trump provides a multitude of weapons systems to Ukraine that has allowed them to stalemate this conflict, he is an agent of Putin. 

  You think that Trump was the turnaround in this war?....
"a multitude of weapons systems" Z had to beg for?   too funny.

Trump: “You’re, right now, not in a very good position. You’ve allowed yourself to be in a very bad position –”
Zelenskyy: “From the very beginning of the war —”

Trump: “You’re not in a good position. You don’t have the cards right now. With us, you start having cards.”
Zelenskyy: “I’m not playing cards. I’m very serious, Mr. President. I’m very serious.”

Trump: “You’re playing cards. You’re gambling with the lives of millions of people. You’re gambling with World War III.”
Zelenskyy: “What are you speaking about?”

Trump: “You’re gambling with World War III. And what you’re doing is very disrespectful to the country,
this country that’s backed you far more than a lot of people said they should have.”

Vance: “Have you said thank you once?”
Zelenskyy: “A lot of times. Even today.”

Vance: “No, in this entire meeting. You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October.”
Zelenskyy: “No.”

Vance: “Offer some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the president who’s trying to save your country.”
Zelenskyy: “Please. You think that if you will speak very loudly about the war, you can –”

Trump: “He’s not speaking loudly. He’s not speaking loudly. Your country is in big trouble.”
Zelenskyy: “Can I answer —”

Trump: “No, no. You’ve done a lot of talking. Your country is in big trouble.”

Disgusting - told to surrender - then berated for requesting basic assistance

[Lance Payette]

I must admit that as a former Trump supporter, twice no less, I am increasingly edging toward Trump Despisement Syndrome. I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that The Donald (1) utterly despises Zelensky; (2) regards Putin as "a winner" like him (well, he's got that part right!); (3) couldn't find Ukraine on a map and regards it as some Third World nuisance that has committed the unforgivable sin of making him look foolish; and (4) if he had the magical power to end the war today would say "Take it, Vladimir, with my blessings, and do what you will." Fortunately the polls increasingly suggest that large numbers of former Trump voters are realizing they made a grievous mistake. Anyone who stills thinks The Donald is not a prime candidate for 25th Amendment removal is suffering from something way more serious than Trump Derangement Syndrome. Jesus, I absolutely don't get it.