U.S. And International Politics

[John Corbett]

You would, too, if you weren't a zombified-by-KGB-disinformation Trump supporter.

Ever heard of Sun Tzu-loving Artur Artuzov?

"Operation Trust"?

KGB General Ivan Agayants?

KGB General Aleksandr Shelepin?

KGB General Oleg Gribanov -- the guy who sent false-defector-in-place Yuri Nosenko to the CIA in Geneva in June 1962 to protect moles in the CIA / false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. Nosenko in January 1964?

Tennent H. Bagley's 1994-on friend and teacher, KGB General Sergey Kondrashev?

https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781628735437/spymaster/

I guess I don't have your paranoia about the Rooskies.

[Tom Graves]

I guess I don't have your paranoia about the Rooskies.

That's because you, like most Americans, don't know jack you-know-what about them.

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames

[John Corbett]

That's because you, like most Americans, don't know jack you-know-what about them.

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames

I'm glad I don't know the things you fantasize.

[Tom Graves]

I'm glad I don't know the things you fantasize.

Did Tennent H. Bagley fantasize that Edward Ellis Smith was recruited by the KGB in Moscow in 1956, that CIA's spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov, was betrayed by a KGB mole in the CIA in January 1957, and that Yuri Nosenko was a false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962, sent to the CIA there (Bagley and probable mole George Kisevalter) to discredit what KGB Major Anatoly Golitsyn was telling James Angleton about penetrations of the CIA, the FBI, and the intelligence services of our NATO allies and thereby protect the aforementioned mole from being uncovered?

You've heard of Nosenko, right?

You know, the guy whom another mole in the CIA "cleared" in October 1968 via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report, and who was, a short time later, teaching "counterintelligence" the to CIA's and the FBI's new recruits?

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362

[John Corbett]

Did Tennent H. Bagley fantasize that Edward Ellis Smith was recruited by the KGB in Moscow in 1956, that CIA's spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov, was betrayed by a KGB mole in the CIA in January 1957, and that Yuri Nosenko was a false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962, sent to the CIA there (Bagley and probable mole George Kisevalter) to discredit what KGB Major Anatoly Golitsyn was telling James Angleton about penetrations of the CIA, the FBI, and the intelligence services of our NATO allies and thereby protect the aforementioned mole from being uncovered?

You've heard of Nosenko, right?

You know, the guy whom another mole in the CIA "cleared" in October 1968 via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report, and who was, a short time later, teaching "counterintelligence" the to CIA's and the FBI's new recruits?

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362

Do you think it is a revelation that the Soviets were conducting covert activities against us during the Cold War just as we were doing to them. Where you go off the rails is when you claim Putin installed Trump as POTUS. That is as nutty as it gets. Donald Trump was elected by the Electoral College, just as every elected president except for two were chosen. The electors where chosen by popular vote within each state. Donald Trump won an overwhelming majority of those electors. He won so many that it didn't even matter that there were a handful of faithless electors who chose not to vote for the man they pledged to support. To claim the Putin was responsible for Trump getting elected is absurd. I would be embarrassed to make a claim so silly, even if I did hate Trump as much as you do.

[Tom Graves]

Where you go off the rails is when you claim Putin installed Trump as POTUS. That is as nutty as it gets. Donald Trump was elected by the Electoral College, just as every elected president except for two were chosen. The electors were chosen by popular vote within each state. Donald Trump won an overwhelming majority of those electors. He won so many that it didn't even matter that there were a handful of faithless electors who chose not to vote for the man they pledged to support. To claim the Putin was responsible for Trump getting elected is absurd. I would be embarrassed to make a claim so silly, even if I did hate Trump as much as you do.

You’re right. It wasn’t just “former” KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin. It was also his predecessors going all the way back to 1959 when the Kremlin, having decided to get us to defeat ourselves, set up top-secret Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today’s SVR) and top-secret Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate (today’s FSB) to wage disinformation, “active measures,” and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies.

But speaking just of Lt. Col. Putin:

Why did he have his SVR and FSB, his GRU, his professional St. Petersburg trolls, and his Oligarchs work so hard to get Trump "elected" in 2016, and how do you know they weren’t instrumental in his carrying the critical swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania by less than 80,000 votes combined?

Answers:

1) Not to ensure "better Russia-U.S. relations," but because he knew Trump would do an excellent job of tearing us apart.

2) You don’t.

And I give you January 6, stolen top-secret documents, rising inflation, ICE murders, Project 2025, concentration camps, Presidential corruption like we’ve never seen before, a stronger Iran, a hardened six-story subterranean fortress, and an algae-filled reflecting pool.

[John Corbett]

You’re right. It wasn’t just “former” KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin. It was also his predecessors going all the way back to 1959 when the Kremlin, having decided to get us to defeat ourselves, set up top-secret Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today’s SVR) and top-secret Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate (today’s FSB) to wage disinformation, “active measures,” and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies.

But speaking just of Lt. Col. Putin:

Why did he have his SVR and FSB, his GRU, his professional St. Petersburg trolls, and his Oligarchs work so hard to get Trump "elected" in 2016, and how do you know they weren’t instrumental in his carrying the critical swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania by less than 80,000 votes combined?

Answers:

1) Not to ensure "better Russia-U.S. relations," but because he knew Trump would do an excellent job of tearing us apart.

2) You don’t.

And I give you January 6, stolen top-secret documents, rising inflation, ICE murders, Project 2025, concentration camps, Presidential corruption like we’ve never seen before, a stronger Iran, a hardened six-story subterranean fortress, and an algae-filled reflecting pool.

If Putin had the power to determine the winners of our presidential elections, why did he let Biden win in 2020?

Did Putin install Obama in 2008?

Did Putin install Bush in 2000?

Just how long have the Russians been picking out presidents?