U.S. And International Politics

[John Corbett]

Donald Trump is alleged to have raped young girls provided to him by Jeffery Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

Whether or not that’s true, he’s now figuratively raping American taxpayers by having his DOJ and IRS set up a slush fund of $1.8 billion to be dispersed to his allies, some of whom are the Jan. 6 zombies he encouraged to overthrow our Constitutional Federal Republic and keep him in office after he lost the 2020 election fair-and-square.

Alleged? No indictment. No trial. No conviction. But that won't stop the TDS crowd from swallowing the story hook, line, and sinker.

How did he encourage his followers to overthrow the government? By telling them to go to the Capitol and protest peacefully? I thought that was a constitutionlly protected right.

[Tom Graves]

Alleged? No indictment. No trial. No conviction. But that won't stop the TDS crowd from swallowing the story hook, line, and sinker.

How did he encourage his followers to overthrow the government? By telling them to go to the Capitol and protest peacefully? I thought that was a constitutionally protected right.

Do you think poor victim Donald was framed in the E. Jean Carroll case, too?


ME: Did Donald Trump do or say anything that encouraged or motivated the attendees of the January 6th protest to storm the Capitol?

GROK: Yes, Donald Trump took actions that motivated and directed many attendees of the January 6, 2021, "Save America" rally to march to the Capitol, though whether this legally constituted incitement remains highly disputed.

Trump's Speech and Key Statements

Trump spoke for over an hour at the Ellipse rally. Relevant excerpts (from transcripts):

He repeatedly claimed the election was stolen: "We won in a landslide... This is a coup... They rigged it."

"We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore." (He used variations of "fight" ~20 times.)

"We’re going to walk down to the Capitol... We’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them."

Trump did not explicitly call for violence, breaking windows, or assaulting officers. Supporters emphasize the "peacefully and patriotically" line as evidence against incitement. Critics note it was one brief phrase amid an hour of fiery rhetoric targeting Mike Pence, Congress, and election officials, delivered to an already angry crowd that had been primed for months with "Stop the Steal" messaging.

He tweeted during the riot (after it began) criticizing Pence for lacking "courage," which some saw as further inflaming the situation. Trump later released a video telling rioters to "go home" and that "we love you," while still repeating stolen-election claims.

Broader Context and Motivation

Trump promoted the rally (e.g., tweeting "Be there, will be wild!").

He spent months alleging massive fraud (claims rejected by courts, his own officials, and audits).

The Democrat-led January 6 Committee concluded Trump was the "central cause," citing his pressure on Pence, fake electors efforts, and the speech.

Some charged rioters cited Trump's words as motivation in court statements.

In short, Trump's speech and months of rhetoric did motivate a large portion of the crowd to march on the Capitol with the goal of pressuring Congress/Pence to delay or reject Biden's certification. Whether this crossed into illegal encouragement of violence is a matter of intense partisan disagreement—courts, historians, and the public remain divided. The "peacefully" disclaimer exists, but context, repetition of fighting language, and direction to the Capitol were key factors for many attendees.

ME: How much later?

GROK: Trump released the "go home, we love you" video at approximately 4:17 p.m. ET on January 6, 2021.

Key Timeline Context

Trump's speech at the Ellipse: Began around 11:57 a.m.–noon and ended around 1:10–1:15 p.m. He finished urging supporters to march to the Capitol shortly before or as the first groups were already heading there.

Initial perimeter breaches at the Capitol: Started around 12:53 p.m. (while Trump was still speaking), with surges past barriers by ~1:00–1:30 p.m.

Rioters entered the Capitol building: Around 2:10–2:13 p.m.

Trump's tweet criticizing Pence: 2:24 p.m. (after he knew violence was underway).

"Go home" video posted: 4:17 p.m. — roughly 3 hours after his speech ended, ~2–3 hours after major breaches began, and ~2 hours after rioters had entered the building.

This period is often called the "187 minutes" in discussions of Trump's actions that afternoon (from the end of his speech to the video). He was at the White House during this time, aware of events via reports and TV (per testimony and records). The video was recorded in the Rose Garden after aides urged him to respond; it condemned violence but still repeated stolen-election claims and expressed sympathy for the crowd.

[Michael Capasse]

How did he encourage his followers to overthrow the government? By telling them to go to the Capitol and protest peacefully? I thought that was a constitutionlly protected right.

  called for peaceful protest? once again you're FoS:

“We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

“If the liberal Democrats take the Senate and the White House — and they’re not taking this White House — we’re going to fight like hell, I’ll tell you right now,”

President 'Pedo' put his VPs life in danger then watched it like a sporting event while his staff and family begged him to stop it.

[John Corbett]

called for peaceful protest? once again you're FoS:

“We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

“If the liberal Democrats take the Senate and the White House — and they’re not taking this White House — we’re going to fight like hell, I’ll tell you right now,”

Nice job of taking the quote out of context. Here's a video of what he actually said:

You seem to think that the word "fighting" always means physically. Of course that is ludicrous. You can fight through legal and peaceful means and that is what Trump was advocating for.  He did nothing more than to call on Republicans in Congress to do what the Democrats tried to do following the 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections which the Republicans won. He wanted them to refuse to certify the electoral college results and he was no more successful in his efforts than the Dems had been in their 3 previous presidential election defeats.

President 'Pedo' put his VPs life in danger then watched it like a sporting event while his staff and family begged him to stop it.
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[Michael Capasse]

You seem to think that the word "fighting" always means physically. Of course that is ludicrous. You can fight through legal and peaceful means and that is what Trump was advocating for. 

But that's not what happened is it? No. How many hours did he sit and watch it and did nothing to stop it?
"Well, Kevin [McCarthy], I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are".

President 'Felon' owns J6 and always will - it was his electorate that attacked police that day and defecated the people's house. 

[John Corbett]

But that's not what happened is it? No. How many hours did he sit and watch it and did nothing to stop it?
"Well, Kevin [McCarthy], I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are".

President 'Felon' owns J6 and always will - it was his electorate that attacked police that day and defecated the people's house.

The rioting was done by a small percentage of the protesters and they were acting of their own volition, not on Trump's orders. Trump was not complicit in the rioting no matter how much the TDS crowd insists he was.

[Michael Capasse]

The rioting was done by a small percentage of the protesters and they were acting of their own volition, not on Trump's orders. Trump was not complicit in the rioting no matter how much the TDS crowd insists he was.

  Except, no one believes that.