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Online Lance Payette

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« Reply #3424 on: August 22, 2025, 06:41:49 PM »
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I don't see Trump as making a sincere effort to end the war EXCEPT on Putin's terms. I believe he would sincerely like to end the killing and get this nuisance of a war off his plate so he can claim another success, but he is clearly negotiating on behalf of Putin. I don't think this is because he is a Putin/Russia sympathizer but because (1) he believes a Putin victory is inevitably how the war is going to end and (2) he values the business and political opportunities afforded by a closer relationship with Russia far, far more than he does the freedom of Ukraine. The fact is, Biden showed far more courage in this situation than Trump has shown. The first point - the inevitably of a Putin victory - is not true, but it would take real courage on the part of Trump to impose the kind of sanctions on Russia and provide the level of assistance to Ukraine that would bring peace. I don't believe Ukraine or Europe sees Trump as a friend in this mess for one moment. So, yes, I have indeed lost a great of respect for Trump and any illusion that he is actually a man of principle or courage.

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Online Royell Storing

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« Reply #3425 on: August 22, 2025, 06:45:51 PM »

  "Biden showed courage........." ? Really? Biden sat on his hands and permitted Russia to invade Ukraine to begin with. "10% for the Big Guy" being the reason. Arms sales kickbacks.

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« Reply #3426 on: August 22, 2025, 09:43:14 PM »
"Biden showed courage........." ? Really? Biden sat on his hands and permitted Russia to invade Ukraine to begin with. "10% for the Big Guy" being the reason. Arms sales kickbacks.

You're so full of beans, I can smell you from here, Storing.

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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #3427 on: August 22, 2025, 09:56:24 PM »
  "Biden showed courage........." ? Really? Biden sat on his hands and permitted Russia to invade Ukraine to begin with. "10% for the Big Guy" being the reason. Arms sales kickbacks.

He did more than Obama who did absolutely nothing when Russia invaded Crimea.  Granted that was a low bar.

Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #3428 on: August 22, 2025, 09:58:07 PM »
The Epstein hoax continues to implode on the Dems.  They are furious that Maxwell confirmed that Trump had nothing to do with Epstein's crimes.  Of course, Trump haters are claiming that itself is a conspiracy.  She must be lying to receive a pardon.  And on and on. The absence of evidence of a conspiracy  is a cover up that becomes the evidence of the conspiracy. 

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Online Tom Graves

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« Reply #3429 on: Today at 09:00:04 AM »
Maxwell confirmed that Trump had nothing to do with Epstein's crimes.

That's a lie, Smith, and you know it.

All the adjudicated liar said, in effect, was that she didn't know.

Which in and of itself was very probably just another lie.
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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #3430 on: Today at 01:18:44 PM »
That's a lie, Smith, and you know it.

All the adjudicated liar said, in effect, was that she didn't know.

Which in and of itself was very probably just another lie.

She was there.  She is in prison for facilitating these crimes.  She witnessed what went on.  She says Trump had nothing to do with them.  If she wanted to bargain her way out of this and had something on Trump, she would have told that to the Dems.  For Trump haters, however, the absence of evidence becomes the evidence of a conspiracy.  The neverending circle.

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« Reply #3431 on: Today at 01:21:33 PM »
I don't see Trump as making a sincere effort to end the war EXCEPT on Putin's terms. I believe he would sincerely like to end the killing and get this nuisance of a war off his plate so he can claim another success, but he is clearly negotiating on behalf of Putin. I don't think this is because he is a Putin/Russia sympathizer but because (1) he believes a Putin victory is inevitably how the war is going to end and (2) he values the business and political opportunities afforded by a closer relationship with Russia far, far more than he does the freedom of Ukraine. The fact is, Biden showed far more courage in this situation than Trump has shown. The first point - the inevitably of a Putin victory - is not true, but it would take real courage on the part of Trump to impose the kind of sanctions on Russia and provide the level of assistance to Ukraine that would bring peace. I don't believe Ukraine or Europe sees Trump as a friend in this mess for one moment. So, yes, I have indeed lost a great of respect for Trump and any illusion that he is actually a man of principle or courage.

Trump's motivations are unimportant.  What matters are the results.  We do not need another endless war that rages on for years or decades.  We have been there and done that.  The results are always disastrous.  The best option under the circumstances is a compromise that ends the war.  Putin will not live forever.  He is the last of the Cold War leaders.  Once he is gone, there will be a new generation of Russian leaders who can revisit this. 

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« Reply #3431 on: Today at 01:21:33 PM »